Which would you believe in more?

[NexsusX (Fury)]

Jan 29, 2010 14:45:25 GMT -5 hanzrimer said:

Jan 29, 2010 1:08:48 GMT -5 NexsusX (Fury) said:

though we did a good job deterring from the reason why i spoke of eastern medicine xDD ill shift it back

can science really be the alpha and omega of all things? just because you can or cannot explain how it works doesn't mean
it may or may not exist.

now that i look back on it i was trying to defend him in some way by questioning science in itself since science is flawed in some ways

@the spaghetti monster

um the only reason why the giant spaghetti monster doesn't get as much attention is simply cause he doesn't have as much support ( like from scientists or religious authorities)
but if you guys want we can make a giant spaghetti monster religion in which he created all life and the universe LOL

@ whoever spoke about i believe both god an the bible

(on a side note part is really this is meant for those who strongly believe in god so please if your more prone to the sciences or an atheist try not to skew what I'm trying to say anymore than it already is xDDD though your opinion is appreciated)

unfortunately that is a pure oxymoron. From my understanding god is the master of all things how can we as man interpret his will which is supposed to be infinite to a book which has an end. now I'm probably being very dense and without understanding of it but i will say that the bible was created to master the masses into one single believe that would only benefit those who had religious authority. Remember martin Luther he saw there were no instances of receiving indulgence's via payment

in which originally they were given to the crusaders who fought the "Holy War" to exterminate the infidels who tainted the lands of Christ.

For me I see it as, "what an amazing way to manipulate someone into doing what you want them to do by promising them a better after life" in which you will be able to be with your lord and master

Don't let the religious authorities feed you that the bible is the word of god.
For man created the bible and man, even if they follow the will and instruction of god, can commit sin. With that said moses alone received the commandments. Why didn't the two slabs appear in front for all to see? this in turn gives doubt how can one man be referred to more than any other if god created all men equal. Back then you did not need much evidence to support what you said. people generally tend follow the flow as well which is something that has not changed in several Milena and probably will never change.


If i do say so myself why isn't the bible currently being extended? Since supposedly god created the bible why isn't he instructing a man as he has always done to expand on it?

My answer would be is that man created the bible as a feeble interpretation of god and his divinity( and some will say man created god to relieve his or her insecurities about the world)

I leave you with only one teaser since by now all those who firmly believe in god will probably say something along the lines that "everything I spoke is blasphemy and an insult to god" and "that may he take mercy on my soul".

the teaser is only to ask yourselves, "why did our wise and benevolent father give us the ability to reason and question"
( a hint there are people who will speak of his name with great ability only to provided themselves self advancement)

the day the dualistic ideology ends ( us vs them kinda idea) will be the day when every one will go out smoke a blunt and be happy not that people don't do that already lolz

i just love the title phrase of Xenosaga 2 which really belongs to Nietzsche "Jenseits von Gut und Bose" which really should be a goal for human kind ( beyond good and evil)

cool, just ignore everything I type and off no counter points to it, I can do that too.

hey if you want to continue i don't mind we will just keep debating.

All i really said was that you used your passion for wildlife to say your way of thinking is superior to someone else's inadvertently or am i wrong in saying that. You seem to have much faith in modern medicine yet we constantly see cases were people miraculously become healthy from a terminal illness.

And before you try to refute by saying "thats not what i meant to say" you did say, "A lot of their medicine revolves around killing things for a useless "magical" ingredient." by saying that medicine is useless affirms that you think its ignorant on how to cure the human body. Remember they have been practicing medicine longer than we have and since I'm guessing it works whats to say that our way isn't so righteous ( there was a time when people thought masturbation was an illness and electroshock therapy was the solution)

Unfortunately your understanding of eastern medicine involves cutting of parts of animals for magic. And hanz i am starting to get really tired of repeating myself that though it maybe one of eastern medicine aspects it not what its all about. All your doing is making a generalization about eastern medicine and if anything they value animals more than we do(exp Hindu religions and the sacred cow)

Your Pro Wildlife but don't you eat? Don't you take in air and expel CO2. We live in an unending cycle of using our surroundings for nourishment. yet you seem to take preference in some animals than others. We killed and confined the native wildlife that lived here and put animals to near extinction. what gives us the right to say anything about what other countries do just because we "learned our lesson and found out that if all of nature were to die we would be next" ( which is one of the main reasons why people give a damn about the wildlife- I'm not saying you one of those people since as you said I don't know you on a personal level)

And before you go on to say that all humans are wasteful I am pretty sure you cant speak for everyone unless your the representative of human kind. ( which is another generalization filled with assumptions of the masses) But then again its not your completely your fault everyone is taught something and that teaching always carries the bias of the instructor/ teacher/ professor/ doctor/ parents/ inspirational leader/ president etc ect... And since I'm guessing someone taught you the meaning of wastefulness you see the people around you as wasteful. but please don't come here and say you hate all humans and their wastefulness for you are human yourself which means you fall under what you speak meaning you really hate yourself. Further more with what I said in the terms of generalization there are those who don't waste any part of what they use (I.E native Americans and Buffalo

thats why i tried to change the subject back to what the topic was instead of the tangent we had.Cause i do have better things to do rather than pick at every comment you make
but what am i saying this is a debate lolol.

so if you want to make a separate topic in which we can continue this debate ill be waiting

[NexsusX (Fury)]

Jan 30, 2010 14:46:17 GMT -5 flee14 said:

GOD:
God is a deity in theistic and deistic religions and other belief systems, representing either the sole deity in monotheism, or a principal deity in polytheism.
God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe. Theologians have ascribed a variety of attributes to the many different conceptions of God. The most common among these include omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal, a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".These attributes were all supported to varying degrees by the early Jewish, Christian and Muslim theologian philosophers, including Maimonides,Augustine of Hippo,and Al-Ghazali,respectively. Many notable medieval philosophers and modern philosophers developed arguments for the existence of God. Many notable philosophers and intellectuals have, by contrast, developed arguments against the existence of God.


BIBLE:
The Bible refers to one of two closely related religious texts central to Judaism and Christianity—the Hebrew or Christian sacred scriptures respectively.

The Bible is the main source for the history of ancient Israel. Although it is not a history book in the modern sense, the books of Joshua through Second Chronicles are the works of ancient Israelite historians. The Bible historians presented a picture of ancient Israel based on information that they viewed as historically true. Like modern historians, biblical writers sometimes provided "historical" explanations or background information of the events they describe.

Judaism recognizes a single set of canonical books known as the Tanakh, also called Hebrew Bible, traditionally divided into three parts: the Torah ("teaching" or "law"), the Nevi'im ("prophets"), and the Ketuvim ("writings").

The Bible as used by Christians is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament. The canonical composition of the Old Testament is in dispute between Christian groups: Protestants hold the books of the Hebrew Bible to be canonical and include them in what they call the Old Testament. Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox additionally consider the deuterocanonical books, a group of Jewish books, to be a canonical part of their Old Testament. The New Testament is comprised of the Gospels ("good news"), the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles (letters), and the Book of Revelation.

DUDE THIS IS A DEBATE DO NOT USE WIKIPEDIA AS A F***** SOURCE OR I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN LIKE THE DOG YOU ARE.

or thats what a college professor would say. LOL
anyways yea please dont use wikipedia as a source since most of it isnt reliable

[hanzrimer]

ah so you're one of those people that think people can't be green unless they live like grizzely adams and apparently to go even further to not eat or breath. It seems to me it's people like you that act all understanding about everyone's culture and there is no right or wrong because it's their way. To be blunt, screw that, some shit is wrong and I don't care what country or race practices it, if it's bullshit it's bullshit. And trust me buddy the reason I care about wildlife is not that i'll be next, in fact if i found humans were going extinct i think that would be quite exciting news to me

[yash3ahuja]

So your saying because someone else doesn't think like you, their idea is bull? Way to be openminded.

[NexsusX (Fury)]

Feb 2, 2010 14:28:44 GMT -5 hanzrimer said:

ah so you're one of those people that think people can't be green unless they live like grizzely adams and apparently to go even further to not eat or breath. It seems to me it's people like you that act all understanding about everyone's culture and there is no right or wrong because it's their way. To be blunt, screw that, some shit is wrong and I don't care what country or race practices it, if it's bullshit it's bullshit. And trust me buddy the reason I care about wildlife is not that i'll be next, in fact if i found humans were going extinct i think that would be quite exciting news to me

So under who's authority can you deem something acceptable? Just because our high and mighty society deems something to be wrong doesn't mean it has to be accepted around the world.
Do you even understand what right and wrong really mean? In terms of society. You feel oh so safe in your "I don't give a damn bubble" but to be as blunt as you your going to have to deal with it in one way or another since our world is becoming more interconnected every day.

@uh the grizzly Adam's +1 one thing. there are many levels on how you can express your concern for the environment and I'm only responding to wards how you value the environment

Yes I do agree that the wildlife of this world is something that needs to be protected and I should have told you my stance on world preservation. but I'm not willing to impose my will on another society simply because I believe( or my society believes) their ways are back wards.

Are you willing to end your life though? For your beliefs? you seem to take joy in the extinction of human life so I'm guessing you must not have much value in your own

Also the people like me statement is not so true in fact I am aeon's away from truthfully understanding another persons culture.Honestly what do I know? Ive never lived in their shoes to be able to understand them.

Its because of the fact that I understand that i don't know about anything that makes me open to all possibilities a great man once said that if you know who I mean xD

You seem to go around in circles though about wildlife so please make it a new topic and get it back towards what this topic is supposed to be about lol and ill respond till the day my fingers fall off XDDD

Feb 2, 2010 17:33:32 GMT -5 yash3ahuja said:

So your saying because someone else doesn't think like you, their idea is bull? Way to be openminded.

lol yash we do have to respect his reasoning too. sometimes a closed mind is what is needed to protect something you love. ;D

[hanzrimer]

Feb 2, 2010 17:33:32 GMT -5 yash3ahuja said:

So your saying because someone else doesn't think like you, their idea is bull? Way to be openminded.

1. who cares about being open minded?

2. Not what i'm saying. let me use an example, in some parts of the middle east you get your hand cut off for stealing. I think thats wrong and do not accept "it's part of their culture " in my opinion wrong is wrong. On the other hand, say a small island in the south pacific whorships rocks, I would find it silly but it's not hurting someone or is unethical so I don't have beef with it. My point is lots of Eastern medicine is unethical.

[yash3ahuja]

Well, it is a bit unorthodox, but it works for them. They don't steal again, do they? And, that still doesn't give you the ability to say it's bullshit, rather, say you disagree.

[NexsusX (Fury)]

Feb 2, 2010 19:11:38 GMT -5 hanzrimer said:

Feb 2, 2010 17:33:32 GMT -5 yash3ahuja said:

So your saying because someone else doesn't think like you, their idea is bull? Way to be openminded.

1. who cares about being open minded?

2. Not what i'm saying. let me use an example, in some parts of the middle east you get your hand cut off for stealing. I think thats wrong and do not accept "it's part of their culture " in my opinion wrong is wrong. On the other hand, say a small island in the south pacific whorships rocks, I would find it silly but it's not hurting someone or is unethical so I don't have beef with it. My point is lots of Eastern medicine is unethical.

can you give me some examples of the these atrocities you speak of? and of course it must prove that more than 50% of eastern countries accept this kind of practice for it to be a majority. if anything this discusion went way out of context( since the reference to eastern medicine was only an example, to prove that their are other ways of getting to something other than modern science,that was taken over board) but you seem to want to dwindle on it because you want to say you are right or what you say has more value than anything else or am i wrong xD

[hanzrimer]

Feb 2, 2010 19:23:03 GMT -5 yash3ahuja said:

Well, it is a bit unorthodox, but it works for them. They don't steal again, do they? And, that still doesn't give you the ability to say it's bullshit, rather, say you disagree.

Actually it does give me the ability to say it's bullshit. Wow if everyone though like you we'd still be burning witches in salem, because that worked for them too.

[hanzrimer]

Feb 3, 2010 3:30:17 GMT -5 NexsusX (Fury) said:

Feb 2, 2010 19:11:38 GMT -5 hanzrimer said:

1. who cares about being open minded?

2. Not what i'm saying. let me use an example, in some parts of the middle east you get your hand cut off for stealing. I think thats wrong and do not accept "it's part of their culture " in my opinion wrong is wrong. On the other hand, say a small island in the south pacific whorships rocks, I would find it silly but it's not hurting someone or is unethical so I don't have beef with it. My point is lots of Eastern medicine is unethical.

can you give me some examples of the these atrocities you speak of? and of course it must prove that more than 50% of eastern countries accept this kind of practice for it to be a majority. if anything this discusion went way out of context( since the reference to eastern medicine was only an example, to prove that their are other ways of getting to something other than modern science,that was taken over board) but you seem to want to dwindle on it because you want to say you are right or what you say has more value than anything else or am i wrong xD

look tolerance is a great thing to an extant, but in my opinion there are something that cross that line and we shouldn't tolerate certain things, i don't care who does it. it's that all whole all ways are equal, just different bs which allows some of this shit to continue. Just saying "it's their" way is ignorant, and trust me I think this country is far from perfect.

[[ROJOES]ronjons]

Just wondering... who's winning, God or the Bible?

[yash3ahuja]

BTW, we wouldn't be burning witches in Salem hanz. They realized how bad it was for them to have done it. But, that's how things were, and it's natural for thought to sway from what it used to be. As medicine gets more advanced, eastern medicine will start to ditch the supernatural element. Trust me.

[hanzrimer]

I'm not sure you're really getting my point, You say cutting people's hand's off in the middle east is their way and i should accept it. So lets say they still did, couldn't we just say it's their way and hey it works, i mean there is no witches around right?

[redwurd]

"i mean there is no witches around right?"
um I hope my sarcasm detector read that correctly, and you were just being sarcastic, because people that follow the Wiccan way are witches.

[[ROJOES]ronjons]

"i mean there is no witches around right?"
I'm afraid pub witchcraft is prevalent today, often invoking ye 'beer goggles' and 'brewers droop' spells.