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Post by chewie02 on Mar 3, 2010 0:49:43 GMT -5
How is my being a rule oriented person relevant to EVOD having members that are also in other clans? You're running the tourney, and you're trying to decide if evod should be dq'd(being dq'd would be a result of breaking the rules) Furthermore, how is my being bothered by your asking relevant? because it wasn't my intent to bother you The fact of the matter is that neither of them are. They both focus on myself as an individual and attempt instead of the issue at hand. That is both ad hominem and a red herring, specically in this context tu quoque. I have to get up for work in 5 hours. i'll gladly continue next time i'm on if you'd like, but i have to get some sleep.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:52:03 GMT -5
I agree. But I can only act based on what I know, and I can only use what means I have to figure out more.
I don't have admin privileges so I can't check ip addresses or emails on this forum. Nor am I a staff member in any capacity on playstation network.
If anyone has knowledge that I don't and wants to let me know about players who are in multiple clans that are in this tournament they should inform me. I would love for you to give me specific examples of these "numerous other members" instead of just vaguely asserting their existence.
The only other person I can think of is BRAVE_LAWRENCE, but by the posts from the BRAVE leaders that I have read, he is a BRAVE in name only, he isn't actually in the clan anymore.
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Post by ouphe on Mar 3, 2010 1:12:19 GMT -5
Instead of throwing around insults why don't you explain how I'm wrong regarding the fairness of players being in multiple clans? Your own leader recognizes that this isn't a witch-hunt but rather a question of right and wrong. The fact that you and i have problems is incidental, not causal. instead of focusing on what you interpret as an insult, why don't you address the points raised in the rest of my post? nowhere did I mention the issue of fairness concerning noninclusive membership. only that not requiring the same standard across the board IS unfair. regardless, this isn't an issue of morality - there's no 'right' and 'wrong' here. it's an issue of comfort and communication between clans. lisa made mention of cash and strider - nowhere did she say she had issue with me. so far, you're the only one to object. Yes indeed. I can only give examples from my clan, but I already stated Fleur. Shadowfax and jenaez are two others.
I'm not singling you out. I hold my clan to the same standard.the difference is that's your clan - you're free to set its standards and ensure that they're upheld. you're attempting to moderate other clans now (under the guise of your tournament which states no rules to that effect), and if you're going to try to moderate EVOD, then you need to moderate the other clans that have noninclusive members. you cannot make example of one person that you otherwise have no say over. are you going to amend the rules?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 1:16:38 GMT -5
I believe I did.
The only point you brought up that I didn't respond to was the one regarding no mention of this in the tournament rules. The reason that I didn't respond to that is because earlier in the same post I answered the same question posed by strider.
If there's anything else I missed please point it out.
You're the one that's dodging all of the points I've brought up.
There very clearly is, as I explained in my second post in this thread.
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Post by ouphe on Mar 3, 2010 1:28:43 GMT -5
There very clearly is, as I explained in my second post in this thread. seriously? like evil and good? light and dark? being in multiple clans is 'morally wrong'? oookay. I don't really need to elaborate on how ludicrous this is.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 1:32:32 GMT -5
I think you do.
You've only said that I'm being ridiculous and put your nose up in the air without actually showing how any of my points are wrong.
You're free to have an opinion but if you want to share it you should be prepared to defend it.
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Post by hanzrimer on Mar 3, 2010 1:52:04 GMT -5
wow I like people from the another clan played in the clan battle when i was online. that's complete bullshit in my opinion
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Post by yash3ahuja on Mar 3, 2010 1:54:41 GMT -5
*sigh*
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Post by hanzrimer on Mar 3, 2010 2:04:41 GMT -5
it actually annoys me, why were others asked to sub when I was online? I only knew about because of Lisa. No one in DA told me anything even though in the official thread I said i would play
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Post by AznLisa23 on Mar 3, 2010 7:44:33 GMT -5
That said, I ask that you also resolve the issue of ouphe being in both CT and EVOD. As far as Ouphe being in the EVODS and CT I have no problem as of yet with it. Ouphe has been with us from the beginning, since Aug. for 6 months! Since then she has played almost every battle, and never let us down. She is now an active co-leader and contributes greatly to the team. Her involvment in CT has never been an issue or conflict with her duties in EVODS. She also assured me it never would, and if it came to the point where our two clans were to meet she would "sit it out" for that battle to keep interests clean.
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Post by demonstouch on Mar 3, 2010 9:38:47 GMT -5
Actually Hanz I didnt see you on. So far every match I have messaged you for. You never respond.
I dont think there should be subs out side a clan. But all of what I think never matters. Since Lisa used non clan mates so did I. This game is about to end. So maybe just once we can have a fun battle. A battle where everone is not all archers and mages. I am a dreamer but I hate camping to win a clan battle. This is not what we are about. My clan have always battled solo and out numbered. We always play on the hardest and Weakest side. I was hoping for epic battles, but these battles are no different then noob battles. I fell last night battle was just like Mount doom with Gandawhores. Its Boring.
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Post by redwurd on Mar 3, 2010 10:15:08 GMT -5
Here at the end of all things..... we are all on the rocks as the explosions of Mt. Doom erupts around us. The lava is flowing....... "Do you remember the Shire?" Alas their will be no eagles to swoop down and rescue us. I for one am NOT going to spend my last days in Middle Earth quibbling quid pro quo in meaninglessness. I want to enjoy my time that I have left here. To battle if out as long as I can in Middle Earth, not here on the boards. "Then it has all been in vain. The fellowship has failed." "Not if we hold true to each other." All the fun, the friendly rivalries, epic battles, sweet victories, agonizing defeats, the friends and foes that have made this "mediocre" game great for us is what I am fighting for and what I will take with me as I board the ship to go into the West on March 16.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 3, 2010 11:01:22 GMT -5
well like joppi and fob said last night, thats just how pellinor is played
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Post by hanzrimer on Mar 3, 2010 11:05:17 GMT -5
Actually Hanz I didnt see you on. So far every match I have messaged you for. You never respond. I dont think there should be subs out side a clan. But all of what I think never matters. Since Lisa used non clan mates so did I. This game is about to end. So maybe just once we can have a fun battle. A battle where everone is not all archers and mages. I am a dreamer but I hate camping to win a clan battle. This is not what we are about. My clan have always battled solo and out numbered. We always play on the hardest and Weakest side. I was hoping for epic battles, but these battles are no different then noob battles. I fell last night battle was just like Mount doom with Gandawhores. Its Boring. I was on, Lisa even messaged me, so I have back up there. I normally can't make it true, but thats because weekends are terrible for me. Yesterday there was a battle on a weekday and I happen to very available. I think I was playing uncharted at the time.
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Post by demonstouch on Mar 3, 2010 11:30:30 GMT -5
GG to all,
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