|
|
Post by Strider on Mar 2, 2010 23:58:57 GMT -5
Oh, you forgot the other part...
...kind of as a joke/for fun. Get over it, man. It's not that serious.
|
|
|
|
Post by chewie02 on Mar 2, 2010 23:59:58 GMT -5
i had a valid question to ask, you can interpret my motive behind it however you'd like.
|
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:03:17 GMT -5
explain how your question is relevant in a way that isn't fallacious.
|
|
|
|
Post by AznLisa23 on Mar 3, 2010 0:04:16 GMT -5
On second thoughts and much debate in my own mind and heart, having a member play in our clan if they belong to another is not ideal. Strider and Cash have let their membership go. Nonetheless they would have subed for us as we still didnt have enough girls to play. Which should not be an issue.
I know I would rather play ALL girls from the EVOD. I have less active girls and it was excruciating to get 8 on at the same time once a month or so for our clan battles. But I ALWAYS did. All GIRLS. But, we are supposed to play 2 battles in 1 week at least until lotr is over. So it seemed natrual to add new members with the women having preference still. In fact I released Clear and brought in Wottes as soon as she came on, and I was goin to release Cash if AdenWife wanted to play. The male members were all told this stipulation when joining.
When i posted the list of members which was actually around 3pm TODAY, I had already had messaged ALL the girls by PM around midnight last night and none of them replied that they could play except, Red, Ouphe, and Fluer. That left me scrambling to get a team together. We managed in the end to get Wotts/Queen with 5 girls on today, and 6 girls last time.
There was no interntions at deception or cheating for that matter. Even if strider and cash were just subs, they would STILL have subbed for us as I had only the girls and that could play ALREADY playing. I am disapointed that this was not the case last time when DA had 3 members on but played Joppi instead. Or this time when they played Joppi, BM and Fober. But we STILL won, so the logic should go BOTH ways imo yet we are the ones being questioned.
EVOD has always fought fairly with integrety and honor when others have not. Always on time and well organized. I still think it we uphold this standard and am proud to be lucky enough to obtain a few male members and friends to sub if needed here in the end of all things...
|
|
|
|
Post by chewie02 on Mar 3, 2010 0:07:08 GMT -5
I see you as a rule oriented individual, i just wanted to see if you practice what you preach.
|
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:09:21 GMT -5
(I deleted my previous post because I typed it before I saw lisa post, to which I intend to respond momentarily) I see you as a rule oriented individual, i just wanted to see if you practice what you preach. So then you admit that I hit the nail on the head by calling your post a tu quoque fallacy. |
|
|
|
Post by chewie02 on Mar 3, 2010 0:16:16 GMT -5
Why do you assume i asked with the intent to discredit you're complaint about rosters?
|
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:21:32 GMT -5
On second thoughts and much debate in my own mind and heart, having a member play in our clan if they belong to another is not ideal. Strider and Cash have let their membership go. Nonetheless they would have subed for us as we still didnt have enough girls to play. Which should not be an issue. Thank you. I know (probably better than most, lol) how hard it is to admit a mistake. Pride often pushes us into denial. I know it's happened to me, but I respect that you were able to resist that urge. You're also right that strider and cash should be able to sub provided that you tried to get 8 girls first, which I believe you did, and also that you did not request them to be there prior to the match itself (because you can only know for sure that you will be short once the time for the match arrives). If you would give me your word that you will continue to conduct your matches in that manner, and only search for subs from whoever happens to be online at the time instead of prepping subs beforehand, then that will be enough as you have never given me or anyone else any reason to believe that you wouldn't honor such an agreement. That said, I ask that you also resolve the issue of ouphe being in both CT and EVOD. Like I said, I understand the difficulty you faced in terms of getting a team of 8 together. I wish you all the best in the way of finding new members that aren't other clans to help you out. TM7 is going going through the same thing, but when we ask members from other clans (for example, I also asked cash to join, on multiple occasions) it is always with the condition that they leave their current clan first. I have stated before that I agree, and I'll do it again - no one should be subbing people from other clans if they have 8 members available. And I respect EVOD because of it. Any other clan and I would have dq'd them without hesitation. I, too, hope that you can continue to uphold that standard. |
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:22:58 GMT -5
Why do you assume i asked with the intent to discredit you're complaint about rosters? I asked you to explain the relevance in a way that wasn't fallacious and you didn't. Your inability to do so tacitly conveys a concession on that point. |
|
|
|
Post by chewie02 on Mar 3, 2010 0:34:35 GMT -5
I see you as a rule oriented individual, i just wanted to see if you practice what you preach. This statement shows relevance, and how is it fallacious? A simple question can be so over-analyzed. Given your answer why are you bothered by me asking? |
|
|
|
Post by Strider on Mar 3, 2010 0:36:36 GMT -5
Where is it stated in the rules that a player cannot be in more than one clan?
If ouphe has choose, then shouldn't the x number of players listed in multiple clans have to make the same decision?
|
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:38:09 GMT -5
How is my being a rule oriented person relevant to EVOD having members that are also in other clans?
Furthermore, how is my being bothered by your asking relevant?
The fact of the matter is that neither of them are. They both focus on myself as an individual and attempt to talk about something else instead of the issue at hand. That is both ad hominem and a red herring, specically in this context tu quoque.
|
|
|
|
Post by ouphe on Mar 3, 2010 0:39:34 GMT -5
That said, I ask that you also resolve the issue of ouphe being in both CT and EVOD. so, the numerous other members in multiple clans participating in this tournament are held to the same standard, right? you cannot request that one person (who you openly have issue with) be made to choose. you need to figure out who else has membership to multiple clans and require the same standard for everyone in this tournament. nowhere in your rules is there a clause concerning subs, nor anything about allegiance to a single clan. perhaps you should amend that if you have a problem - not make alterations on a whim. not everyone conducts clans the way you do yours - not everyone has a problem with noninclusive membership. regrettably this is your tournament, so you have final say, but I'm just about done participating in this dictatorial, biased bullshit. there are TWO WEEKS LEFT. none of this matters. |
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:42:29 GMT -5
Where is it stated in the rules that a player cannot be in more than one clan? If ouphe has choose, then shouldn't the x number of players listed in multiple clans have to make the same decision? It's obvious to the point that it doesn't need to be stated. All competitions have the implicit rule that players can not be on multiple teams, and I explained why. Ultimately it comes down to the fact that it is unfair to everyone else. And if there are other players that are in multiple clans in the tournament then of course they should have to make the same decision. Fleur had to make that decision - she left TM7 because she thought that she should be with her girls as we approach the final hour, since she had spent so much time time with and grown close to them throughout their time playing conquest together. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Yes indeed. I can only give examples from my clan, but I already stated Fleur. Shadowfax and jenaez are two others. I'm not singling you out. I hold my clan to the same standard. |
|
|
|
Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 3, 2010 0:45:50 GMT -5
Instead of throwing around insults why don't you explain how I'm wrong regarding the fairness of players being in multiple clans?
Your own leader recognizes that this isn't a witch-hunt but rather a question of right and wrong.
The fact that you and i have problems is incidental, not causal.
|
|
