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Post by ouphe on Mar 2, 2010 23:25:53 GMT -5
This thread was made yesterday. The match was today. Clearly the intent to play you existed prior to EVOD ever needing subs. And I agree that Demon shouldn't have subbed me, joppi, and fob if he had available players. The only reason he did that was because of this. Though two wrongs certainly don't make a right, EVOD opened the door for him to do so. what? the thread was made TODAY, 3 hours ago. and demon subbed joppi on sunday for the conquest portion when he had others available.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 2, 2010 23:28:53 GMT -5
no lisa said around 7 eastern that she may not have enough people and asked if we would sub if needed, she had only invited the girls first so she could make sure none that could play were not there, then she invited us
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Post by Strider on Mar 2, 2010 23:29:08 GMT -5
I subbed for them on Sunday - the original match.
I was asked to be ready if I were to be needed again. Obviously, they needed subs.
LISA EVEN STATED that the ladies took precedence over everyone and that we'd have to leave if any of the EVOD's came on. But, NO, we're obviously just trying to cheat and we're all just a big group of liars.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:34:24 GMT -5
what? the thread was made TODAY, 3 hours ago. and demon subbed joppi on sunday for the conquest portion when he had others available. My mistake. On my display it says that "Thread Started Yesterday at 9:20pm" but I forgot that the time zone on the board is different from the time on my computer (I never bothered to change it).
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:34:50 GMT -5
Also, ouphe is officially in both EVOD and CT.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:38:34 GMT -5
Basically this is the way that I see it.
EVOD realized they would have trouble getting members together for every match.
To remedy this they decided to let guys join, but only play them if no girls could show up.
For me this is the same as, for example, HELLFIRE's system of Team 1, 2, and 3, where they try to play everyone from team 1 if they can, and if they can't they take players from team 2, and so on. The only difference is the criteria (gender vs skill). They are still part of the clan.
Now that's I've objected to their joining the clan, you've decided to play semantics and call them subs instead of members.
Please correct me on any points where I am mistaken.
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Post by chewie02 on Mar 2, 2010 23:38:49 GMT -5
BM, did you sub for DA knowing they had clan members available?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:42:46 GMT -5
I didn't know how many players DA had on, no. He asked me to sub, and I owed him one.
If I did know then I would have been wrong for subbing, but for a different reason than what is being discussed here.
People shouldn't be allowed to pick subs who they think are better than their members.
However, that is a different issue from people being in multiple clans.
Also, suppose that I did have a member in multiple clans. Like, let's say Fleur didn't leave TM7 but still went back to EVOD, thus being in two clans. Just because I'm doing it too doesn't make it acceptable.
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Post by Strider on Mar 2, 2010 23:43:17 GMT -5
BM, did you sub for DA knowing they had clan members available? Good point. I remember stating twice (in the chat) that mojaveracer was just in the game and someone even mentioned him wanting back in. Then they went ahead and brough Fob in.
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Post by Strider on Mar 2, 2010 23:45:10 GMT -5
Basically this is the way that I see it. EVOD realized they would have trouble getting members together for every match. To remedy this they decided to let guys join, but only play them if no girls could show up. For me this is the same as, for example, HELLFIRE's system of Team 1, 2, and 3, where they try to play everyone from team 1 if they can, and if they can't they take players from team 2, and so on. The only difference is the criteria (gender vs skill). They are still part of the clan. Now that's I've objected to their joining the clan, you've decided to play semantics and call them subs instead of members. Please correct me on any points where I am mistaken. They didn't LET us join. We were asked to join - kind of as a joke/for fun. Get over it, man. It's not that serious.
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Post by chewie02 on Mar 2, 2010 23:45:40 GMT -5
I realize it's a separate issue, i just wanted to know.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:45:58 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque"Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation. " - www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html
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Post by chewie02 on Mar 2, 2010 23:53:52 GMT -5
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:54:10 GMT -5
It's not who asked whom to join that matter. It's simply that fact that you did join.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 2, 2010 23:56:22 GMT -5
no, you simply got pwnd by logic.
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