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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 7:51:34 GMT -5
“@trolls and ents
This is just something I throw out there for every clan war. In all honesty, I couldn't care less whether they're legal or not. I don't think their role in the game is that unbalanced, but I can see why some people wouldn't like having them around. I'm perfectly fine with banning them if you honestly don't want them.”
I always try and ban trolls/ents in clan battles because they can kill with one attack. It’s incredibly annoying to be killed by those damn things.
“@horses and wargs
As long as they're available to both teams, I can't really see any problems with them. They only have one really powerful attack and it can only really be used to devastating effect in CTR where everyone is clumped together. Even then, both teams should have equal access to them. They're not hard to counter, either, since one archer can keep like three people off their horses for a while.”
Nothing is more frustrating (other than the archer) than to be killed by some clown riding around on a horse/warg. A lot of times, they can also kill with just one attack.
“@ballistae/catapults
Again, I can't really see the issue here. They aren't that powerful, both teams usually have equal access to them, and they're easily countered by an archer, or destroyed if they're causing too many problems.”
Same problem, they can kill with just one attack. We’re undoubtedly going to face quite a few archers from your team, must we have to deal with ballistae/catapults as well? I hope not.
“@mics
I guess I can see the problem here... I'm assuming that no one in your clan has a mic? I feel like, if you have a mic, you should be able to use it, though.”
No one in my clan has mics. So if this is not disallowed, your team will have a significant advantage.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 8:14:52 GMT -5
I've got a little personal message for one of your team mates. Although he never posts, he does read the messages and he also has his pig headed minion running around tell him everything and anything.
This challenge made by TM7 is without a doubt your doing, though they will undoubtedly deny it. But know this Bauer, win or lose, you will not break us. You will not destroy our spirit or humiliate us no matter how bad we lose or how great we win.
You're a pathetic human being and a cesspool. Everytime merlin and I kick your ass in conquest, you desperately call your team mates to come to your rescue. It's pathetic and quite entertaining. What's even funnier is that time after time they actually come to rescue your sorry ass lol.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 10:39:08 GMT -5
I've got a little personal message for one of your team mates. Although he never posts, he does read the messages and he also has his pig headed minion running around tell him everything and anything. This challenge made by TM7 is without a doubt your doing, though they will undoubtedly deny it. But know this Bauer, win or lose, you will not break us. You will not destroy our spirit or humiliate us no matter how bad we lose or how great we win. You're a pathetic human being and a cesspool. Everytime merlin and I kick your ass in conquest, you desperately call your team mates to come to your rescue. It's pathetic and quite entertaining. What's even funnier is that time after time they actually come to rescue your sorry ass lol. Yes, indeed. Just want to say that i also disagree with ents/trolls (ents are much easier to kill), wargs/horses (there are some maps where one of the two have advantage reaching the "X"), and also mics (my team doesn´t have mics what is a clearly disadvantage). And amaced, shut the fuck of your mouth. You´ve nothing to do with this. Quit lotr once and for all.
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Post by TheLegendaryBroly on Dec 9, 2009 12:31:23 GMT -5
no mics?........fucking retarded, i spent 15$ on a mic i don't see how you can't
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Post by TheLegendaryBroly on Dec 9, 2009 12:38:11 GMT -5
I've got a little personal message for one of your team mates. Although he never posts, he does read the messages and he also has his pig headed minion running around tell him everything and anything. This challenge made by TM7 is without a doubt your doing, though they will undoubtedly deny it. But know this Bauer, win or lose, you will not break us. You will not destroy our spirit or humiliate us no matter how bad we lose or how great we win. You're a pathetic human being and a cesspool. Everytime merlin and I kick your ass in conquest, you desperately call your team mates to come to your rescue. It's pathetic and quite entertaining. What's even funnier is that time after time they actually come to rescue your sorry ass lol. WTF he barely even talks & no he didn't decide to face you, your clan seems to be the only one active atm so we decided(TM7) to face you. So grow the fuck up & leave the dude alone damn
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 13:16:29 GMT -5
Broly, you're telling me to grow up and yet you're the one swearing, lol. Perhaps you should take your own advice. I'll leave the "dude" alone when he leaves me and my friends alone. Also, he does talk and often.
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Post by ainarajefa on Dec 9, 2009 13:20:44 GMT -5
And I want to know if is really necessary to use insults and disrespect.
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Post by TheLegendaryBroly on Dec 9, 2009 13:43:00 GMT -5
And I want to know if is really necessary to use insults and disrespect. buy a mic and ill answer u
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Post by ainarajefa on Dec 9, 2009 14:03:05 GMT -5
And I want to know if is really necessary to use insults and disrespect. buy a mic and ill answer u If I buy a mic or not do not concern you at all!!! And not change the fact that there is another way of saying things.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 14:16:36 GMT -5
Yes Broly, just because you´re a great player you don´t have to think that you can speak to the others like dogs. You´re the one who should grow up. If you hate everything and everyone talk bad with the ones who give you trust for that. It´s not my case. Althought, in the beggining joppi said he wanted us to say what we think about the rules, that´s what we are doing. We don't want mics, so what do i care about your 15$. I haven't buy any, and you have nothing to do with that.
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Post by Joppi on Dec 9, 2009 15:53:38 GMT -5
I'm only going to say this once and you guys can believe or disbelieve as you like, it really doesn't matter to me. Bauer has nothing at all to do with my choice to challenge you guys. We've played TCF and are in the middle of negotiating a match with ALMIGHTY, so your clan and DA were like our only choices. I chose TBO. Period. That's all. No grudges, no other motives, nothing. Keep your grudge against Bauer between yourself and him, because we don't want any of it.
I can understand this and its fine. Trolls and Ents can drastically change the gameplay dynamic and not everyone likes that, so it doesn't matter to me.
Horses and wargs can only OHK with one attack that require a full bar of energy and is difficult to aim. Other than that, they're just handy transportation or cover if you use them properly. Even then, both teams have equal access to them.
tying in with this:
What exactly is the problem with OHKs here? We can't just ban everything that happens to be a one hit kill. Plus, you guys have EQUAL access to all of these things, so it's not like it creates an unfair advantage to any one team. If you guys can't deal with things like these then that's your problem, not ours. We're not going to play some hugely abridged version of the game because somebody might die in one hit. That's just how the game is. It's not unfair, it's not cheap, it's just another aspect of gameplay.
And it's an advantage that some of us have (by buying mics) earned. We can't go on banning any advantage the other team might have over us. Can we ban -insert class here- because we think your team has better players of that particular class and that would give you an advantage? I don't think so. I believe that the objective of rules should be to create a balanced environment (with as much normal gameplay intact as possible) where everyone has the opportunity to play on equal footing (you guys can use horses, you can use catapults, and you can buy mics), without stripping every potential advantage each team has until we're basically playing glorified Rock-Paper-Scissors.
Heroes are not balanced and never will be, no matter whether both teams have access to them. Trolls/Ents can drastically change the environment and not everyone likes them. These are reasonable. Horses, Catapults, and mics are neither unfair nor do they upset the game even if both teams have them. They're advantages that both teams can utilize without harming the game.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 16:01:31 GMT -5
Yes, now i´ll put all of my clan members to buy mics just because the clan we will fight have them. that´s ridiculous. Altought, we are from different nationalities what means that some of us doesn´t understand the others. But ok, if you want mics SO MUCH, for me it´s ok. It´s not that that will change the course of battle (or not).
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Post by Joppi on Dec 9, 2009 16:23:21 GMT -5
If you want the advantage, then, yeah, do it. A good portion of our clan bought mics so we could improve our communication and play better. It's an advantage we've earned. Again, we can't just go around banning every single advantage one team might have. It wouldn't end well.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 16:32:52 GMT -5
I see that in this clan battle rules can be discussed but not changed. I´ve said everything that i think, i´ll not talk more about mics. Last thing i just want to say is about the chat with 16 members, i think it´s too much, a lot of confusion and no one can see the essential topics. I suggest a chat with 4 members who transmit the informations to the others.
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Post by Joppi on Dec 9, 2009 16:48:25 GMT -5
Sure, they can be changed, but we kinda have to agree on what's being changed. At this point, it seems more like we have a fundamental disagreement on what rules should do. I'm leaning more towards equality in opportunity, while changing as little of the core gameplay as possible, whereas some of your rules seem to want to find equality in result, changing any gameplay deemed problematic. If we can't come into concurrence on these issues, it's going to be difficult to create a rule-set we're all satisfied with.
As far as chats go, it shouldn't be a problem as long as everybody understands that the main chat is not for chatting (which I had meant to put into the rules, but forgot). A representative chat takes a long time for all the relevant information to be transferred to each individual chat. I wouldn't mind a smaller chat to settle issues (because it does tend to get heated when there's a rule infraction and people are mad about it), though.
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