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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 20:44:01 GMT -5
God is a contradiction.
If God created space and time, how did he have time to create time before it existed?
I've never heard anyone answer that. It's the ultimate knockout argument against theists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 20:48:48 GMT -5
also taco you believe in god that tortures people literally forever in hellfire just because they don't believe in him. that makes god - if it is possible - worse than hitler, who tortured/exectued six million people. god is resposible for a torture cell in which millions of people are being sadistically tortured right now. come on. how can any moral person believe in that, or believe it is moral.
i would rather die than be forced by clever intellectual arguments to believe something so disgusting immoral is "good".
and i remind you that st paul tells us that some of pleasures of heaven involve looking at those being tormented in hell.
sickness.
throw it off.
we can be more moral than to believe in that garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 20:52:37 GMT -5
Much better to live without jesus and find out it was all true. I can go on for days. you mean you can copy and paste from other websites, but nevermind. |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 0:52:41 GMT -5
God is a contradiction. If God created space and time, how did he have time to create time before it existed? I've never heard anyone answer that. It's the ultimate knockout argument against theists. Nah, rational arguments don't work against god because he isn't subject to the laws of man (logic ) nor the laws of the universe (time). He's greater than all that, and far beyond our understanding. Even if it was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that no god exists, people still would still be in denial about it. you mean you can copy and paste from other websites, but nevermind. Rofl, for real? Wow, talk about not thinking for yourself. Either that, or kudos for some legit trolling. |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 2:55:07 GMT -5
What a crock of bullshit.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 2:59:20 GMT -5
No man can forgive another for sins against GOD. If you want to talk to GOD you don't need anyone else to do it for you. " Call no man father."<- yes that is in there. " There is no intecessor between GOD and man but JESUS CHRIST." <-yes it is in there too. I am a TERRIBLE example of what a christian should be. I fail daily. Just know that GOD takes you for what you are if you have a sincere heart. There will still be consequences for your actions here but anyone can get forgiveness if they mean it. David was a man after GOD's own heart. He became king of Isreal. He had an affair with a married woman and she conceived. He sent the husband to the front lines basically for him to die. GOD told him the consequences of this will come back to him in his own house. It did, read that too. You follow a god who believes that someone who's a fucked up human being but believes in god is better than someone who is a good human being but doesn't believe in god. |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 3:34:23 GMT -5
One does not have to accept christ at their savior to change from sin and learn not to repeat it. If one can be moral even without belief in god, why should he yet be condemned for eternity?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 3:58:51 GMT -5
So you follow a god who cares more that he is worshiped than that people live morally.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 4:12:38 GMT -5
According to you, if you don't believe in god you are damned, regardless of whether you lived a good life. That's god's word right?
I'm just saying, in that situation, god damning you shows he values belief in him more than being good. If he valued being good more than belief in him, then you wouldn't be certainly damned if you didn't believe.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 4:23:39 GMT -5
Well, if that's the god you want to follow, by all means suit yourself. If I did believe in a god, he wouldn't be so small and petty as yours, or so selfish.
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Post by King of the Pink Mushrooms on Feb 11, 2011 4:54:30 GMT -5
I'll repeat it again I have my own reservations on the bible.
But I will explain how I understand the believe in Christ go to heaven thing. BM argues people should go to heaven if they are good people and if they believe in Christ.
How many people in the world are undoubtedly good people. Considering most of the people in the world could eat a Sunday roast without giving a dam thought about people in the poorer worlds? When you think about it you could argue that most people if not all people are bad people. So do not deserve heaven, then you consider the fact like everything people opinions of good and bad are relatives in how good or bad they are themselves. God supposedly being purely good (but still suffers jealousy?) would undoubtedly have much higher standards than any of us would. To the extent that no one would enter heaven.
However as god loves you he sacrifices his own son who committed no sin throughout his life. This means that by his sacrifice he can clear all the sins from everyone else. However it says you must accept this gift. Which does mean you would need to believe in Jesus and be thank full for what he did. Why this gift can't be spread to all is beyond me. Probably the case that some insight full ruler saw the benefits of adding this or something.
Thats how christians see it I belive (except the last line).
I think however god would not just punish for all the bad in people but would also see the good in people. I don't know how that would work out but its what I beleive.
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Post by Lhii on Feb 11, 2011 9:08:34 GMT -5
Just looking back, I think the point is being taken wrong here. The point isn't that you go to hell because you don't believe in God but because you have sinned. The penalty of sin is death, no? By death, eternal fire. It's really all about forgiveness in the end, and like has been said earlier, even the demons believe in God. Unfortunately, a lot of people think you can get to heaven by believing alone or by being a 'good person'.
So what is your definition of a 'good person' since we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Feb 11, 2011 12:06:25 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what the definition is. If you allow that a person CAN be good without religion, then there's no point for religion. It's just a completely arbitrary condition for salvation which wouldn't make sense if god was truly wise and benevolent. Indeed, if someone makes the right choices without believing in religion and heaven or hell, essentially being good for the sake of it not for any threat or promise, that for me has even greater value.
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Post by King of the Pink Mushrooms on Feb 11, 2011 12:23:05 GMT -5
Thats the whole point though why does my definition of a good person matter, I don't know the standards of gods but you could probably guess his would be a lot higher than ours.
Why does religion need a point, as far as I'm concerned religion is just a belief and perhaps being thankfully for everything we are given. Of course if you believe in it there is also the don't got to hell part lol. Also the point Christians try to make is no one is a good person be holy or not therefore we can only go to heaven through forgiveness.
BTW Taco please don't start a argument to people that they should believe in god because it would be wise to save your soul. Because if thats what someone's religion is based around its not belief, it's fear for the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 15:45:14 GMT -5
but sometimes i think there is some kind of god or we wouldn't know right and wrong. we wouldn't know what good is in the first place. everything would just be an opinion. people could say "i like chocolate" and "i like rape" and it would just be a matter of personal preference.
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