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Post by mabedi on Sept 24, 2009 19:24:41 GMT -5
Their manager and Machida have also said that they won't fight each other. Personally, I think if they throw enough money at it they'll fight. Especially, with Ranpage now out of the picture. As for UFC 100, I watched that fight and at the end I don't recall him saying he would move up. He said he would like to but it's very hard to move up because the fighters are bigger than him (I'm gonna rewind it and watch the end of the fight again to make sure I'm not twisting his words or nothing).
I'm saying he'll smash GSP because I look at the fighters silva has dismantled. He toyed (literally) with Griffin. He owned Franklin twice. He choked hendo. GSP can't strike with him. GSP has to take him to the ground. GSP's ground game is top notch. I was talking to a friend a while ago about this fight and he said that GSP has wrestled with Canada's number #1 wrestled and was throwing the guy around the matt lol. Silva's ground game is very good, but I think GSP obviously edges it. Can GSP take him to the ground? Maybe, maybe not. SIlva trains with David Maia whom has an excellent ground game and silva says that Maia submits him in train so GSP can win if he takes it to the ground. My thinking behind things is that SIlva's switch stances more frequently than he usually does if he fights GSP making a takedown harder and GSP will have to stand with him at some point and I don't think he'll make it out the round if he does.
Nevertheless, I honestly can't see GSP ever moving up. The prodigy was willing to move up and fight GSP even though he lost. My comment of not having guts was in comparison to the prodigy.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 24, 2009 22:48:54 GMT -5
Well St pierre has said he would move up for a fight with silva because the fans wanted it.
And I think you're underrating his striking. Sure, silva may be the better striker, but GSP is a way better striker than the likes of Forest Griffin.
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Post by mabedi on Sept 25, 2009 9:41:51 GMT -5
If GSP said that, then massive respect to him. I still can't see the fight ever happening. GSP'll be back in Feb or March and by then it'll be against ever Daley, Swick, or Fitch.
He's a better striker than Griffin but you have to take into account that Silva is truly the best Muay Thai fighter in the UFC at the moment making his striking a lot lot better than GSP. Plus Silva wants to move up to 205 while GSP is trying to move up to 185 if the fight was to happen. This gives him a distinct advantage separate from striking or wrestling. Nonetheless, I still think in the end though Silva would win the fight via KO. But I could well be wrong and GSP proves me wrong.
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Post by Strider on Sept 25, 2009 16:52:20 GMT -5
I don't think GSP would stand a chance against Silva. Silva's got a big reach/size advantage and his striking game is on a level by itself. Even if (and that's a big IF) GSP got him on the ground, Silva is a BJJ black belt and can roll with the best of them. People often forget that his ground game is rock solid.
As far as a Machida vs. Silva fight is concerned, it could happen; regardless of what Silva has said. He probably just doesn't feel right about it - given the fact that he trains with Machida and his family. But if no one is able to beat Machida and Silva keeps his winning streak going, I can still see this fight happening.
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Post by straightcash5 on Sept 25, 2009 17:57:50 GMT -5
what about Vitor Belfort. he handled franklin easy and i think if he can get back into the form he was in a few years ago, he could possibly beat silva. his striking is every bit as good... but silva is great at everything, so who knows what would happen
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 25, 2009 19:30:44 GMT -5
Reach: St Pierre: 76 inches Silva: 77.6 inches
Height: St. Pierre: 5'10" Silva: 6'2"
The difference isn't really that big.
And if GSP puts the weight on properly that won't be a big difference either.
I would still put my money on Silva to win the fight, but I think it wouldn't be anywhere near as uneven as you guys are making it out to be.
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Post by mabedi on Sept 26, 2009 10:07:36 GMT -5
what about Vitor Belfort. he handled franklin easy and i think if he can get back into the form he was in a few years ago, he could possibly beat silva. his striking is every bit as good... but silva is great at everything, so who knows what would happen Belfort would be silva's toughest opponent in the UFC as of yet if they managed to fight. He was a beast at 19 but that was from all the roids but he still has that explosiveness in him. Would be a great fight to watch but I think Silva would still walk out victorious. Silva trains like a beast and he really doesn't underestimate his opponents which is a massive trait for any champion. Not to carry on the topic of GSP v. Silva but BM, you still haven't taken into account the advantage Silva has since he's the best Muay Thai fighter in the UFC regarless of the reach he or GSP have.
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Post by Strider on Sept 26, 2009 15:12:21 GMT -5
Reach: St Pierre: 76 inches Silva: 77.6 inches Height: St. Pierre: 5'10" Silva: 6'2" The difference isn't really that big. No it isn't. On paper the difference isn't that big. But, like Mabedi and I have mentioned, Silva's game (especially striking/muay thai) is on a different level. Couple that with the reach/size advantage and I think it'd be a very one-sided affair. That's really what I meant, but failed to convey. However, I'm not sure if it'd be closer to Penn/GSP or Silva/Franklin. On Belfort: He looked great. I think Franklin has lost a step or two (though he says otherwise), but regardless...he looked better than ever. A Silva/Belfort match-up would be interesting. He may not be juicing anymore (Who wasn't back then? Shamrock was roiding out of his mind back then.), but he still has that explosiveness.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 26, 2009 16:20:39 GMT -5
Silva vs Belfort is announced, set for Jan 2, 2010.
Yeah, and GSP is the best wrestler in the UFC. And once again, though his striking may not be at silva's level (really, no one's is), you guys are definitely underestimating that part of his game. He would be able to at least hang with silva well enough to get some takedowns, and we all know what a beast gsp is controlling on the ground. Sure silva is a bjj blackbelt. So was penn. Will the size make a difference, yeah, but I still think gsp would have the advantage on the ground.
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Post by mabedi on Sept 29, 2009 11:49:53 GMT -5
Silva vs Belfort is announced, set for Jan 2, 2010. Yeah, and GSP is the best wrestler in the UFC. And once again, though his striking may not be at silva's level (really, no one's is), you guys are definitely underestimating that part of his game. He would be able to at least hang with silva well enough to get some takedowns, and we all know what a beast gsp is controlling on the ground. Sure silva is a bjj blackbelt. So was penn. Will the size make a difference, yeah, but I still think gsp would have the advantage on the ground. Difference with penn gsp fight and silva gsp would be that penn moved up while gsp would be the one moving up. But anyways, I heard the belfort silva fight announced. Toughest fight for silva in the ufc so far I reckon this will be. The rest of the card is gonna be STACKED. Henderson will fight Nate Marquet. Also, Thiago Silva will fight Rashard Evans. I seriously can't wait for those fights. What are people's pick for those? Of those three fights, I'm taking Silva via 3rd submission, Hendo via decision, and Thiago Silva via 2nd KO.
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