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Post by BulgarianMenace on Jan 24, 2012 13:32:12 GMT -5
ronjons must think it is funny to censor words.
FUCK YOU RONJONS. To have NO censorship was the entire reason this site was created. You have mod power for a week and you think you can betray the core value of this site, upon which it was founded?
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Jan 24, 2012 14:16:15 GMT -5
ronjons must think it is funny to censor words. FUCK YOU RONJONS. To have NO censorship was the entire reason this site was created. You have mod power for a week and you think you can betray the core value of this site, upon which it was founded? it's true i'm a fup up . Expressed with wonderful linguistic variety. Full command of english is cherished. your favourite nazi, ronjons.
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Post by Royalty2 on Jan 24, 2012 15:57:04 GMT -5
lol... Global moderator now! I find people are changing my comments on the new forum
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Jan 24, 2012 16:09:57 GMT -5
freedom of expression here; unlike those tunngle forum newbies
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Post by Taco on Jan 24, 2012 17:17:53 GMT -5
Indeed. I also "discovered" jump canceling with the mage way back in the demo days. I don't try to take credit for it though because I acknowledge the probability that other people found it by themselves before me even back then. Now, three years into the game, you're assuming you're the first person to realize such and such about the warrior and boasting about it. .. idk, but i think i pretty much started the whole double light air attack transition into ground light combos, heavy special BECAUSE i had never seen it used before me. i didnt outright claim to have been the first one personally i developed it by myself without any other influences since this wasn't a cross-platform but i'm still willing to bet a lot of the 'big names' of the tunngle era could woop an old school players behind, regardless of platform . See here's the thing, most or a good number of the players who have a 'big name' now were playing back on one of the platforms in the EA days for most of it's tenure and weren't a 'big name' player then. What I'm saying is that those players obviously took a longer time to 'master' the game and have for the most part did so against other players who weren't top level players during the EA era, and are doing so under erratic internet connections to the servers. Thus it's not a fair judgement to say that a top tunngle player would "whoop" a top EA player on ANY platform. C'mon now, juicing it up a bit aren't you? the big name EA players were playing against noobs still trying to grasp the game 4 months in, and so had an easier time than those who fight today's community: refurbished 3 year veterans(doesn't matter if they were big names then, they are now; half of them better than most of the EA big names ever were) aside from the really new guys. to be 'good' in in EA days was an easier feat than being 'good' in the tunngle era, because(aside from the new guys) everybody is 'good'. to rise above that standard you have to be great.
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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 24, 2012 18:06:34 GMT -5
if you're awesome, you have to be a really good player in EA days because tunngle has lags, believe me if this is EA days I would have challenged you all to a duel by now specially beleg...... not much really good players on tunngle, you guys do a warrior cup with only you and morgoth playing.... lol.....
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Jan 24, 2012 19:16:19 GMT -5
I have to agree with Amaced about his very first phrase, I am not trying to just justify myself cause anyways I dont play the game anymore, and mostly I dont play it "seriously" since March 2010, but a lot of people have handicap due to bad connection and a lot have avantages due to a perfect connection. We are speaking about play at elite level, aren't we? So at these levels a high connection difference affect A LOT an hypotetic fight. I am talking about what I experienced but I guess a lot of people experience the same, wtf, I couldnt even play anymore the combo light-light-heavy special cause the most of the people were free to move/escape/block/evade/attack after my first light attack!! xD
Anyways I am not trying to argue, as I said I am not playing anymore but I am sure I am not the only one experiencing that. In EA times in -=TLF=- servers that were the most good servers, 90% of connection difference between players was not even easily valuable, I made tests about that by myself, and with many -=TLF=- members from all around the world and the only one that had a clear disavantage (but anyways could let him play really high level) was for KAvenged that was from Australia. Our server was located in UK but I noticed some from USA and Canada had even a connection lil better than mine xD But anyways without huge differences.
So, I just wanna mean that make comparisons in such an unfair battlefield is not that fair... And everything about "old elite players were the best - no tunngle elite players are the best" it's same that say "PS3 had best players of EA times - no Xbox had - no PC had": we can't know. And Taco, you are wrong cause PC elite players had maybe less "good players" around to fight with (and that's reasonable cause there is was NOTHING before EA Nation lol), but were used to duel themselves the most, and about other players there it was just a bigger difference between the levels, the top level was not minor. After years guys play, wtf, if on tunngle they would not have reach almost an high level, it would be a shame, don't you think? ^^
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Jan 24, 2012 21:13:16 GMT -5
Now you know better.
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Post by straightcash5 on Jan 25, 2012 0:36:46 GMT -5
Indeed. I also "discovered" See here's the thing, most or a good number of the players who have a 'big name' now were playing back on one of the platforms in the EA days for most of it's tenure and weren't a 'big name' player then. What I'm saying is that those players obviously took a longer time to 'master' the game and have for the most part did so against other players who weren't top level players during the EA era, and are doing so under erratic internet connections to the servers. Thus it's not a fair judgement to say that a top tunngle player would "whoop" a top EA player on ANY platform. C'mon now, juicing it up a bit aren't you? the big name EA players were playing against fuppers still trying to grasp the game 4 months in, and so had an easier time than those who fight today's community: refurbished 3 year veterans(doesn't matter if they were big names then, they are now; half of them better than most of the EA big names ever were) aside from the really new guys. to be 'good' in in EA days was an easier feat than being 'good' in the tunngle era, because(aside from the new guys) everybody is 'good'. to rise above that standard you have to be great. Way to ignore the first thing I said and not include it in your counter argument. Most of you top players on tunngle who played during the EA days WEREN'T 'big name' or top players back then. Players like you (from what i've read), Merlin, Angelus etc. weren't top players--I mean like top 3 at a class or all-around-- back then. Merlin was probably right there with that middle pack of mages 4-8 and Angelus wasn't even top 10, 12-20 is more like it. And look at them now, the top mages on tunngle and Angelus is what, the second best overall player on there? On ps3 he was no where near the top player or 10, he was a good mage and a solid scout (don't take what I'm saying the wrong way Angelus and Merlin, I'm sure your both elite now). What I'm getting at is they were around on EA for just as long as the other top players, but yet weren't top players back then. Also, they were the ONLY ps3 players who got on tunngle and actually dedicated themselves to trying to be the best like everyone on EA did. So to assume that if top players were playing again somehow on a EA setup against the top players from tunngle that they would be "whooped" given an adequate amount of practice time is a foolish assumption that carries no weight considering what I just said. You guys aren't 'mastering' the game and becoming 'elite' against top players, except for a few of you. That's the same argument you just used against me. Except i'm going add to it. Yes there was obviously a good number of fuppers back during the EA days. But the game was out for 14+ months! Plenty of time to master such a simple game, especially mage and archer. And IDK about PC or xbox-though them too it seems-but on ps3 we played clan battles WAYYY more often and against the best players on there and had alot of 1v1 competition in both mage and warrior. We also had a full server nearly every day filled with people who were at least 'basic' good and really good and elite players. So don't tell me we played against bums all the time and that's how we got good. TF outta here, you see most of these screenshots posted on here, they're full of fuppers and unbalanced teams. But I don't assume that's how you guys got good, I assume you got good via practicing with/against other good players. Um, hello, that's how we got good back during the EA days. Oh and one more thing; have you noticed that nearly none of the players who were top players on EA that did come to tunngle are not even top 5 at their best class on there? Hmm, must be a reason, oh yeah, they aren't dedicated to trying to be or are limited via their connection or different controls such as using the mouse as an archer. Gothmog, Oneshot, Joppi, swami chuckles, and a few more--all former top players are all affected by one or more of these things (have been told by or read so on here), thus they aren't top players anymore. And the ones who are; Istari, Morgoth are both from PC, small advantage at warrior, mage and scout, but a big one at archer. Merlin and Angelus who have very good connection (or at least that's what everyone says) and have dedicated themselves to trying to become the best, thus they are. A lot of things goes into this equation, and your views are very narrow. If you respond, make it good, not some weak shit where you ignore what I said or I won't bother replying.
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Post by cnqvidz on Jan 25, 2012 2:31:14 GMT -5
I might be wrong but I think Angelus won the archer Olympics using controller. For what it's worth, I (Mayhem) also use controller. I think mouse gives an advantage in some areas, and controller does in others. Archer tactics are considerably different now than they were on Ps3 or PC because of the shotgun spreadshot, which totally changes the metagame for all classes. Looking back at the Ps3 clan war videos I see an entirely different style of play because there were no shotguns.
I've played on all three systems and organised tournaments on each. In my opinion the general standard now is higher than during EA times. Some of the current players have been playing on a daily basis for three years, and the Reboot servers have themselves been up for a longer time that the EA servers were. This gives some people over twice the experience of those who only played on EA Nation. The current playing environment is of a higher standard than any of the individual systems because you have idiosyncrasies from each system - such as the shotgun spreadhot (from xbox), the scout jump-cloak (from Ps3) and the PC mouse-archer - all present together. You also have the best players in the game playing in a single server against each other.
I think it was easier to stand out in EA days because the relative skill level of your opponents was likely to be lower due to the increased number of fuppers. Now it's very difficult to stand out because the general level of skill has increased.
Morgoth, Taco, Angelus and Istari have taken the warrior to a level I have never seen before. In my subjective opinion I think, based on their current form, these players would have a good chance of beating NightgodBroly, Da King, Giaquinto or Vhoscythe in a 1v1. I also think Merlin and Angelus might beat any previous mage from the EA days if they were to go back in time with their current level of skill. From what I hear, Angelus was more unknown than unskilled on Ps3, and never lost a mage duel on the system. Having recorded and/or watched over 500 class duels with many of the game's top players on all systems, in my opinion Angelus, Taco and Istari are the best all-round players to ever play LOTR Conquest. I think the clan war standard is also definitely higher now than it was two years ago.
Obviously if the top EA players returned and played regularly it is likely that they would also reach this level. I don't mean any disrespect to these guys. In their day they were outstanding and I'm sure would be still if they were to return and were given a couple of days to catch up. I'm also less able to compare 8v8 abilities of current and EA players, though the aforementioned changed playing environment perhaps suggests current players might be stronger.
I don't think it's fair to say that most of the returning top EA players have connection issues. Gothmog posted that he had fixed his connection problem and that it was due to a problem with his computer. When I opened a US server last year, Swami told me he had a green ping. Oneshot has recently moved house and lives closer to the server. As far as I'm aware, Joppi doesn't suffer much with lag, or if he did he's adjusted. I had to close the US server last year due to lack of funding but if US players were ever willing to donate the needed monthly amount I'd happily reopen them. From memory it cost $100 a month for the server. I could cover perhaps $30, which means you'd need to find seven players willing to pay $10 a month for a US server.
It's probably true that a theoretical ceiling will be reached with the classes before long, if it hasn't already, but considering players like Morgoth are still currently making changes to the warrior metagame, I'd say it hasn't been reached yet. It certainly wasn't reached on any of the individual systems prior to the Tunngle era as I recall new strategies being developed for every class on Tunngle, including by top EA players from the original systems.
I find it very difficult to believe that there is a difference between the ping to the current servers and the previous TLF servers. People with a ping under 130 that still complain of lag are a vocal minority and, to my knowledge, in all of these instances (e.g. Gothmog, Morgoth) the problem has resided with either their own router setup or their own pc. Ping is actually a fairly constant measure of connection speed. There's simply no way to have a low ping time to the UK from west coast America. The notion that the servers were of more even, or better quality during the EA days is a myth. Ping variance was absolutely just as wide during the EA days, but console players in particular weren't usually aware of this because no immediate way to identify ping was available. With ping times of under 100 other factors limit the speed of the connection. There is no user-observable difference between a ping of 9 or 99. When I opened an American server last year, I had a ping of around 125 - 135, as did Angelus and Merlin. None of us noticed any difference between playing with these ping times as opposed to our regular ones.
Unfortunately one of the things that prevented some people returning to the game in the early days were stories put around that the servers were of inherently worse quality/lower speed that the EA servers. This is absolutely not the case.
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Post by Beleg on Jan 25, 2012 3:44:47 GMT -5
well said.
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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 25, 2012 7:15:49 GMT -5
I was thinking of not replying to straightcash because he will cry and stop posting again.... lol... But you're post is stupid, where did you get that we have to use the mouse? lol, it's not even fun to use the mouse and keyboard.... You're way over rated and talk too much crap and you complain about lags even in EA days when we dueled!!!! so what makes you think angelus is not a good player??? You could be right about him not being an elite mage because I never played with angelus on EA days but it's not just about the mage, it's about playing all the classes really well, I have an awesome black ops banner because of him so chill and if you like to insult merlin then it's fine with me.... BTW where is you're black ops videos? @ mayhem my lag is for real!!!! play on my server you fools or sandy's server, I think he is from LA and I'll crush all of you..... I still crush all of you on 8 vs 8 but I can't duel..... I'm Awesome.....
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Post by Angelus on Jan 25, 2012 9:00:22 GMT -5
I don't see how i can even be rated if i hardly ever played with any of the players from this forum back in Ea days. Everyone Mostly played Mix & Conq Mode while i was 90% of the time in Ctr Mode. My mage has never changed from Ea days to tunngle days, Except maybe learning to combat the shotgun (isn't like i learnt anything new on tunngle for mage.... if anything my mage was better on Ea days same for scout). When ppl blame Ping on someone being better than them is laughable, i felt no difference to Us serverwith like 120ping. Yes May, i use controller and always will As for Warrior i never played it on Ps3 i only started using when Hamachi was discovered because everyone wanted Melee only (so i guess im a Pc Warrior). lol. Anyway i don't play competitively anymore i just play for Fun.
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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 25, 2012 10:45:05 GMT -5
EA server is different than tunngle angelus, still if you want to play on my server to know what ping lag is then let's meet not to duel because it's not fair but for you to see what it feels to play with lag....
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Post by Angelus on Jan 25, 2012 11:45:33 GMT -5
I've had 400ping before so i know what lag is lol I was talking about ppl with 0-100 ping (they should blame there comps or Inet, not the servers )
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