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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 25, 2012 11:56:02 GMT -5
I've had 400ping before so i know what lag is lol I was talking about ppl with 0-100 ping (they should blame there comps or Inet, not the servers ) oh ok, nice to know then..........
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Post by Royalty2 on Jan 25, 2012 13:37:03 GMT -5
I will blame my internet and ping for that then
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Post by straightcash5 on Jan 25, 2012 16:47:00 GMT -5
-=TLF=-Mayhem. I agree with alot of what you just said. But you-like taco did-are ignoring what I said about the current top players not being top players on EA (even with 10-14 months of playing) and my reasons for why nearly NONE of the top players from before are top now, which I mentioned in my last post. ALL of the ones from the consoles no longer are top 5 players at their classes/overall, not a single one. The ONLY two who are, is Istari and Morgoth, who just so happened to be pc players. Thus to assume that these players skill levels would be higher than people from the EA era if they actually put in the time and wanted to be the best again isn't a very strong assumption. For example: Michael Jordan left the NBA for about two seasons, and he was the best player in the league. But when he came back, he wasn't the best player for a short period of time, but once he got some time and practice under his belt, he was yet again, the best player. If top players skills levels on EA were higher than what the current top players was back on EA, there's no way you can say that they couldn't catch up or pass the current top players (I know you didn't say this, but taco did). Too your assessment of tactics changing; Angelus addressed part of that for me. He himself, arguably (and to my knowledge is considered the best mage on tunngle) just said that he didn't change his mage tactics at all. BM has told me that the mage tactics aren't different as well, it's all about execution. And like I said before about the tactics Merlin and Istari were using, Merlin's style hasn't changed hardly at all, he still waits for you to make mistakes, except that he's adopted a bit of BM's style, in his lightning patterns, and he looked very sharp. Istari played like a complete fool and didn't adapt to the situation at ALL. Mage tactics aren't different, it's all about timing, execution, and the ability to adapt to the other players style. Archer is a skill based class, not many tactics you can develop with them. As for the shotgun, obviously xbox players used this the most, ps3 archers did use this as well, all you have to do is find the old threads, myself, bm and others had debated the shit out of it with Onde Aander. Granted, we didn't know how to defend against as well as the xbox players because you guys spammed it, but we DID use it some. Scout techniques were mastered on ps3, if tyere has been a jump in tactics with them, it can't be much. Warrior I completely believe you on. PC obviously used warriors the most, and had the best overall talent with them. I don't doubt that they have tactics that weren't used on the consoles. But remember, broly hardly EVER played this game, but could step on and beat any warrior easily with next to no practice. I fully believe, that if he came back (he's not and won't) he could pick up any new tactics and have them mastered in a week. And if he actually put real effort into it, I believe would be the best warrior on PC, he's simply too good with combos. @angelus I played with you multiple times in CTR, so had my clan, it was our favorite mode. You played mage mostly and was pretty good, you also would play scout as the ring bearer sometimes. I never saw you play warrior. When I saw you play archer, it was mainly on maps that favored archers like Pellinor, where you would constantly hide behind the wooden stakes at your base in the left corner and pretty much play tdm (which was odd, considering that you played as a team player with scout and mage nearly all the time). And you weren't "unknown" as Mayhem seems to think you were, maybe to this forum, but I know plenty of people who knew who you were. That's just an excuse to say that you were a top player back then, and that because you were "unknown" you were a better mage than myself and BM, to help justify why you are now--which isn't necessay, I believe you are . He also said in a video that Merlin was "unknown," uh no. He was very known, he almost only played mage all the time and was in a clan on this forum, every player on this forum knew who he was. Unknown lol. right.
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"Fight like a Warrior, to show skills and honor"
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Jan 25, 2012 16:55:55 GMT -5
-=TLF=-Mayhem: I explain you about my "solved connection issue": after I rebuilt some my PC, I got yes a better "gameplay", but in a maximum 5vs5 server and only until my PC is free of stuffs, so basically for some week after a format xD But idc as I said I played on "adter EA era" always just for fun. It's just to explain that for some people compete is unfair. It's a fact that the most of people have almost good connection but a part of the people (and look how weird, all elite people ROFL) have a really freaking awesome one. Idk why that happens for sure, and that's not the point. Did you get what I meant? ^^ And well, about styles, every time I play I look to these "new elite warriors" and about the bare style, they are not for sure at the level of the top style Nazgulz and me reached, at the top we were lil more unpredictable IN MY OWN OPINION, it's just an opinion so I dont wanna argue!!! Ok? xD But I have still eyes to look the reason why a warrior beat another one, watched many duels of Morgoth and I immediately got that when he lost, he lost cause of a weaker connection, it's clear for everyone that knows how the class works and mostly for who knows the player. Anyways, a fact still: EA elite players did develop to get the top level of a class when noone had, and in a shortre time that tunngle era it seems, where people or come yet from EA days so have experience, or if new have a lot of example to follow. For me that count a lot. Always an OPINION, I am still not arguing, I think every good player on tunngle deserve respect and is really awesome. Btw, dont get it wrong, with my conns issues and lack of playing, I got beated funny dueling mby many people but I also beated them other times, so I am not a handicap man that if you meet him you are sure you will rape him, forgive that idea xD I am jsut saying I cant play at my top level, so my maximum (i repeat, i have to play shorting the combos and avoid some of them ) I love you all, a kiss for everyone of you
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Jan 25, 2012 17:58:12 GMT -5
Cash -
you're wrong about the shotgun. It is not just a zoomed multishot scoring a crit. It is Pressing zoom then multishot in quick succession, resulting in the crit effect in the shortest time possible and with minimal aiming required and maximizing movement at the same time.
Also I note that although the PC warrior metagame was tops, Broly was using most of those tactics already back on ps3, but he was the only one (which is why he was such a beast).
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Jan 25, 2012 19:03:17 GMT -5
He was like Atorius so, the first one in PC able to play the warrior at high skill level, at that times noone could stand him cause noone knew how to play the warrior effectively, he was and still is a genious for me cause he made the class considered the weakest and transformed it in a war machine. My first duel against him, i lost 10-1, and is one of my best memories Long live Atorius!! Anyways I see here talking a lot about the time to spend to manage a class... as Straightcash said, at the end, the game is not THAT complicated. I started to play warrior at beginning of April 2009, by 0 totally, as I said only Atorius was able to play it cool and he just told me that light+special does that, middle+special does that and heavy+special does that xDDDDDDDDD Plus I didnt like his way to play so that I developed a way totally opposite ^^ Well anyways at beginning of june 2009 I was yet at a level that can be considered elite, noone could stand in front of me (Naz was a step back in that period cause I discovered some new tricks but he rescued me soon, we had short periods in which one gone a step on in front of the other, so that we got better and better together, oh how much I miss my old fellow!! ), so as you see to become an elite warrior it doesnt need that much time. Also if anyways for everyone is different cause of the approach, the experiences, the number of people playing warrior yet etc. I guess. I think that now with all these warriors around to become an high skilled warrior it needs just a month or so.... Btw I think that nowaday Darklion is the only player that still remember perfectly about the times I am talking about ^^
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Post by straightcash5 on Jan 25, 2012 22:06:16 GMT -5
Cash - you're wrong about the shotgun. It is not just a zoomed multishot scoring a crit. It is Pressing zoom then multishot in quick succession, resulting in the crit effect in the shortest time possible and with minimal aiming required and maximizing movement at the same time. Also I note that although the PC warrior metagame was tops, Broly was using most of those tactics already back on ps3, but he was the only one (which is why he was such a beast). Oh, well, I have done that many times, but I didn't think of it as the shotgun. But yeah, on ps3 we did zoom for a moment normally. Well, I assume that it wasn't used on ps3 because we had to lead our shots because of the lag and thus were to use to aiming to figure the shotgun out.
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Post by cnqvidz on Jan 26, 2012 2:07:30 GMT -5
New today & possibly of relevance/interest:
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Post by Pookz on Jan 26, 2012 2:41:58 GMT -5
0mg this game is STILL being discussed on a strategic level........ Come on guys move on.
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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 26, 2012 3:28:41 GMT -5
Cash - you're wrong about the shotgun. It is not just a zoomed multishot scoring a crit. It is Pressing zoom then multishot in quick succession, resulting in the crit effect in the shortest time possible and with minimal aiming required and maximizing movement at the same time. Also I note that although the PC warrior metagame was tops, Broly was using most of those tactics already back on ps3, but he was the only one (which is why he was such a beast). Oh, well, I have done that many times, but I didn't think of it as the shotgun. But yeah, on ps3 we did zoom for a moment normally. Well, I assume that it wasn't used on ps3 because we had to lead our shots because of the lag and thus were to use to aiming to figure the shotgun out. You're not dueling right now so no need for excuses............ The right thing to do is not to duel if you lag, so if you agree to duel you shoudn't always complain that you lag when you're dueling, it makes you so annoying to your opponent and make you look like a douchebag...........
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Post by Royalty2 on Jan 26, 2012 12:04:53 GMT -5
Michael Jordan epic slam dunk
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Post by ALM1GHTY_AMACED on Jan 26, 2012 12:08:48 GMT -5
Cash - you're wrong about the shotgun. It is not just a zoomed multishot scoring a crit. It is Pressing zoom then multishot in quick succession, resulting in the crit effect in the shortest time possible and with minimal aiming required and maximizing movement at the same time. It doesn't matter how they call it, getting the kills is much more important to me and because we always play evil archer on htdm we have to kill gandalfs close range and we use the same techniques you guys are talking about........ I'm not going to fight over this because I hate multi shots, they are made for sucky players to get accidental kills and if you can't bring your archer skill to another game then you're just a multi shot no8b in the end...........
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Post by Royalty2 on Jan 26, 2012 12:50:43 GMT -5
How many times has that been posted???
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Post by Royalty2 on Jan 26, 2012 12:51:03 GMT -5
I think the vote proves that PC is the best
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Jan 26, 2012 13:55:19 GMT -5
I think the vote proves that PC is the best No one is arguing that. Players who have played the game for three years are better than players who only played for one year. It's obvious enough.
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