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Post by redwurd on Apr 27, 2011 7:34:33 GMT -5
as well as 70 million people & their personal information....... D=
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Post by |BLOD|Durin on Apr 27, 2011 8:18:50 GMT -5
Luckily i dont have PS3.... ;-)
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Apr 27, 2011 12:17:16 GMT -5
Potential ID theft. Any words of comfort? Luckily i dont have PS3.... ;-) phew that's good news.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Apr 27, 2011 12:51:39 GMT -5
as well as 70 million people & their personal information....... D= Blame sony for A) collecting, monitoring, and storing your personal data in the first place (e.g. did you know that every time you turn your ps3 on, if it is connected to the internet it automatically sends sony logs of your activity on it?), and B) for not bothering to secure that information better.
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Post by |BLOD|Durin on Apr 27, 2011 12:58:13 GMT -5
Or it was an excuse made by Sony because of a huge crash and they lost all data. It could be easily made up as well by Sony.
That's why i have PS2 ;=)
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Apr 27, 2011 13:19:03 GMT -5
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Post by |BLOD|Durin on Apr 28, 2011 11:51:29 GMT -5
For the people who know Elpresador
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Apr 28, 2011 12:47:02 GMT -5
Luckily I saved myself not buying through the credit card but through a pre-payed card in which I only charged the moneys for the buy I wanted to make, and I also deleted my specs from PSN about that after the thing, so at maximum I loose around 20 euros
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Post by killaserpant on May 12, 2011 22:38:32 GMT -5
Do anybody know the latest on the playstation network?How long we got to wait?
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Post by Fober-dud on May 13, 2011 3:35:06 GMT -5
killaserpant: Sony stated that all PSN services should be restored by the end of May. I think about 2 days ago they said they would restore the servers to PSN "in a few days" or something, but don't quote me on it because I can't perfectly remember. I would say though that while you can have your reasons for blaming Sony, it would be a crucial error not to put any blame on the hackers, as they didn't seem to care much about what would happen to the community when they breached PSN in the first place. Even if you believe and/or have facts to prove Sony was negligent, that fact still doesn't absolve the hackers of blame in engaging in what I think is recognized as an illegal activity. On another note, while I find that some of Elpresador's videos are funny, that video was not his most convincing one. It seemed that about 80-90% of it was composed merely of a rant against Sony, and about 10-20% was actual presented argumentation. At the very least, I would say that if you're going to engage in legitimate argumentation, present your case in a factual and logical manner, and keep your emotions on a given issue in check. Basically, I'm saying that you shouldn't just agree with everything he says because he managed to make Sony look dumb. Think for yourself.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on May 13, 2011 17:51:48 GMT -5
All due respect fob, just stop. You're way off trying to defend Sony on this one.
Sony (and every other company) has an obligation and responsibility to their customers to protect their personal information in accordance with the law. Specifically, as it pertains to FINANCIAL information they have to be compliant with the PCI Data Security Standard. Sony DID NOT meet the standards of security for such information. They were informed of this 2 MONTHS before they were hacked, and they did NOTHING. Two months later, what do you know, Sony gets hacked.
I would be right there with you blaming the hackers if Sony did everything it was supposed to do in the first place. I would even be with you if Sony had taken the necessary steps to secure the users' information after they were notified that it was vulnerable. The fact that they failed to do either of those things means the only "crucial error" would be to NOT blame Sony, because that would send a message that it is OK for companies to be irresponsible, to not follow regulations, to ignore warnings because of greed and hubris, and ultimately show they don't care about their customers.
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Post by NexsusX (Fury) on May 13, 2011 23:29:18 GMT -5
While its true that Sony has the responsibility to protect their customers data don't the individual users who own the system have the responsibility not to be going in through Sony's databases? True they were warned and they should have done something about it but just because a system is faulty does that mean you should hack it? I mean you talk about the ethics of sony's business dealings but whats so ethical about hacking a system because the company is corrupt.( i apologies in advance if that's not what you meant since assuming from the way your posts were going BM) In my opinion believing that hacking the system as a form of the "Right" is only a convoluted ideal that allows bigots like them to sleep at night. I mean there is always a way to go through any action without a massive ripple hitting the users, then again what doesn't effect the users in the end now a days lol. The actions of a group, an individual, or even a company, in the end, will always affect us and from these actions people go on and act as human as possible to look for a person to blame.You could say its sony's fault for not keeping their up security because they are only enjoying the cash we keep giving them while they keep giving us shoddy services claiming its top of the line. We could also very well blame the Hacker/ Hackers who decided to pull this and ruin free online gaming for everyone because of their own interests and ideals. The fact of the matter though the same rule of life applies here "Everyone is in life for themselves" May it be to assert that in which they believe is right or by seeking large returns while doing the minimal amount of work possible. When it comes to the "Personal Information" though the fault of that goes to the users. No one forced any user to put their credit card information on that system, its a decision they made and they took the word of the company to protect that data. (in most cases companies don't have your interest at heart but the stockholders interests and the interests of their own wallets) To prevent from future problems from happening people shouldn't leave sensitive information that could pose risk in the open i mean whats so hard about going to the nearest game store and paying 20 of what ever currency you use to buy a game card then using it up to buy whatever games/ dlc/ payments to playstation plus membership. Im not trying to defend sony in anyways untill recently ive been kinda pissed at the company for not being able to assist me with my YLOD without having to lose all my data in the process. But i also wouldnt go as far as to say, "good for the hackers to cause chaos to sony and force them to fix their problems"(lul reminds me of Live Free or Die Hard) In the end we lost a free service for about 2+ weeks and possible more to come insted of playing the blame game we should go out and get shit faced like ive been doing the last couple of weeks of no Playstation. it also lined up pretty well for me since ive been having exams during the weeks of the system down so i wouldnt have had time to play anyways XD. its nice to hear from yall in this kinda discussion ive missed it .
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Post by BulgarianMenace on May 14, 2011 0:54:45 GMT -5
Are you fucking serious nexus? Now it's the user's fault for giving his/her information, when they had every right and reason to believe that they were being properly protected? Sony was breaking the law in the first place. The law isn't always right, but that's another discussion. In this case, the law existed precisely to prevent what happened from happening.
If you put your money in a bank you expect them to have a decent vault to hold it. It's one thing for the bank to get robbed. It's a whole other thing when they leave the vault door unlocked, then when someone notices and brings it up the bank ignores them. Yeah, the thief would be wrong for stealing the money regardless, but in the later scenario the bank didn't do it's job. According to you, people should have never trusted the bank with their money in the first place, they should have assumed that it was lying when it said it was protecting their money, and they should have put their money in their mattresses or something.
The hacking itself was only "right" in the sense that it was the natural end result of the circumstances. Of course it isn't right, but it doesn't pretend to be either. I direct my anger towards Sony because they claimed to be doing right but they weren't, got called out for it but still didn't do anything, and thereby they put their customers at unnecessary and unreasonable risk. I don't want them getting off the hook for their actions because by holding them accountable it ensures that other companies don't neglect their legal obligations and the rights of their customers either. These huge corporations get away with so much already because of the power their money wields, instances like these where their abuses catch up to them and to us, the users, should serve as reminders that there needs to be a check to corporate greed and influence.
And I'm not even getting into their Katrina-esque mishandling of the situation following the breach.
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Post by NexsusX (Fury) on May 14, 2011 12:05:32 GMT -5
lol the situation with the money in the bank, yet a few months ago Bank of America had the same problems with their account information being compromised. You got to understand all systems are flawed and they users need to take some responsibility on how to protect themselves( kinda like don't put all your eggs in one basket so when shit rolls on your arn't shit out of luck) Yes the company who manages the system has the resposiblity to uphold the security of their customers personal information and completely agree with you when you say sony is a complete fucktard for not upholding or at least attempting to show they did their best to protect their customers information. But what company hasn't tried to only uphold their services/ or in this case security measures up to the letter of the law and nothing more. We live in a world filled with corruption that why law's are supposedly created to protect the majority and the minority but law's can only go so far. How many people pirate software every year like the creation of emulation software so you can play on every system, through your computer, there is out there with the exception of the current generation systems. Do the developers of games get any payment from emu's? nah. All in all im saying we shouldn't be angry at the loss of information because im pretty sure 90% of the people who had their information didn't care about how exposed it was and only cared cause they were told their information was at risk. People are used to that which is normal and go on with their every day lives without ever stopping to think , " what would happen if shit hits the fan". I never put any information in sony that would put me at risk for the reason that they are human and thus bound to have flaws either they did care or not then again i don't expect people to protect themselves as i do since each person thinks differently about how they go about in life. To close how many people went to sony after the supposed risk was told to the company saying we want our information expunged from their systems. Its not sony thats wrong but the people in charge of sony who allowed the situation to get royaly fucked. It not the people who are wrong for being ignorant on the level of security any company provides them.Its not the hackers who are wrong for having their personal ideal's and interests in hacking sony. i say this because we are human and i cant blame someone's actions for being human but ill do everything in my power to protect myself from them, maybe other people should as well maybe they shouldn't its up to them .
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Post by BulgarianMenace on May 14, 2011 14:53:25 GMT -5
"Sony" is not an individual. The people who are in charge ARE Sony.
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