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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 19:28:01 GMT -5
I´ve already explained what is ridiculous for me, i´ll not explain again. This thread is supposed to discuss rules, not different conceptions (already discussed). About limit class and scout rolling, i personally agree with you both, altought i would like to see the opinion of my other clan members.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Dec 9, 2009 19:35:03 GMT -5
I'm just saying if you're going to make a demand as to the rules, then you should be required to support that with a logical reason.
If you can't do that you shouldn't be making any demands.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 9, 2009 19:36:55 GMT -5
What demand have i done?
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 19:41:54 GMT -5
I agree, "one hit kill" is pretty funny reasoning, if by funny you mean ridiculous. I gave a quick reason as to why we would like those banned. There is no need whatsoever to be rude or disrespectful. I am not hanzrimer, that you feel you can disrespect me. if you're unable to discuss terms in a prudent and orderly fashion, then this challenge is over and there is nothing further to discuss.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 19:45:01 GMT -5
I'm generally against class limits, but I'm not adamant on it either way, so I'm willing to bend to the majority on the issue. Scout-rolling is a non-issue to me. It's so easy to counter a rolling scout that I don't even know why people complain about it anymore. Scouts and mages can deal with rolling scouts so easily that rolling is almost a handicap to the scout. Warriors and archers have more difficult times, but it's all over for the scout if he makes one mistake. Joppi, we're not asking for class limits. If you don't want to accept our requests then that's fine. But please let's do so in a respectful manner.
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Post by Joppi on Dec 9, 2009 19:51:23 GMT -5
I'm generally against class limits, but I'm not adamant on it either way, so I'm willing to bend to the majority on the issue. Scout-rolling is a non-issue to me. It's so easy to counter a rolling scout that I don't even know why people complain about it anymore. Scouts and mages can deal with rolling scouts so easily that rolling is almost a handicap to the scout. Warriors and archers have more difficult times, but it's all over for the scout if he makes one mistake. Joppi, we're not asking for class limits. If you don't want to accept our requests then that's fine. But please let's do so in a respectful manner. Uh, Merlin asked me for my opinion on class limits: And I hope I'm not coming off as disrespectful, because that's certainly not my intent. If what I say comes off as a little biting, it's because that tends to be my debate style, and I certainly don't harbor any ill will towards you or Merlin. If anything I've said has been construed as hostile, understand that I definitely didn't mean it that way.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Dec 9, 2009 21:54:21 GMT -5
I'm being disrespectful because you guys are making this more difficult and much slower than it needs to be.
I got nothing against you guys having objections to our proposed ruleset. But to do this in "a prudent and orderly fashion" you need to be able to give reasoning and address ALL the issues the other person presents.
You gave your list of changes, then when I asked you for a reason you gave one. I responded and addressed your points and proposed a solution. Then merlin does nothing to advance the discussion and only addresses one point, but doesn't say anything about the rest of what I said. And you have yet to respond to the points either, instead focusing on extraneous posts.
This shouldn't be so hard. But you guys need to participate more actively in this discussion.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 9, 2009 22:28:17 GMT -5
I'm being disrespectful because you guys are making this more difficult and much slower than it needs to be. I got nothing against you guys having objections to our proposed ruleset. But to do this in "a prudent and orderly fashion" you need to be able to give reasoning and address ALL the issues the other person presents. You gave your list of changes, then when I asked you for a reason you gave one. I responded and addressed your points and proposed a solution. Then merlin does nothing to advance the discussion and only addresses one point, but doesn't say anything about the rest of what I said. And you have yet to respond to the points either, instead focusing on extraneous posts. This shouldn't be so hard. But you guys need to participate more actively in this discussion. That still doesn't give you the right to be rude and disrespectful. And I've done all I can do. I told you my amendments and you refused them. You don't want to disallow trolls/ents, you don't want to disallow horses/wargs and you don't want to disallow mics. You can't have it all.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Dec 9, 2009 22:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 10, 2009 0:23:31 GMT -5
Yes I read it, but you later changed your mind. Anyway, let's start over as far as the three items in question. Which of the three would you accept?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Dec 10, 2009 0:53:00 GMT -5
Can you respond to this part?
and this part
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Post by Crusader_878 on Dec 10, 2009 1:01:12 GMT -5
“One hit kills are NOT a legitimate reason to ban something. Archers have several one hit kills, are we gonna ban them? No. As long as both teams have equal access and neither team has an unfair advantage because of it then there's no reason to ban anything.”
The difference here is that an archer (unfortunately) is a class and requires skill like the other three. A troll/ent just goes around stomping and killing with one hit. I see what you’re saying, I just think a clan battle should consist of actual skills with the 4 classes.
“- mics: nothing is stopping you guys from getting mics. I mean, if you don't want to that's YOUR choice. But we shouldn't be penalized simply because you guys choose not to get mics. It's not like we have access to some exclusive class that only 100 people got to buy from psn that rapes everyone and you can't get because they sold out. It's like, if you're a swimmer and you want to ban fastskins (swimsuits designed to make you faster) from a meet because you don't feel like paying for them. If you want to swim in your baggy swim trunks then by all means do so, but you can't require everyone else to do the same.”
Again, I understand your point. I just think that your clan has an obvious advantage with the mics. I realize it’s not your fault or problem that my clan doesn’t have mics. I was just trying to even the playing field. But I will omit this request.
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 10, 2009 10:22:17 GMT -5
I haven´t advanced in discussion because i was only speaking about trolls and ents, i don´t have to answer to a patch with different rules, you are not making us any favor, when i´ve tried to unable trolls and ents you didn´t accept it, because i didn´t speak of all you said. So, it´s you who is not advancing in the changes of battle. Until now, i didn´t see any request that we asked that you said a simple "ok". you put problems in everything.I´ll not participate in a battle where only one of the clans choose the rules. (And please, don´t answer me that you haven´t accept any of our request because we haven´t justfy them. we don´t have to do that in everything we say)
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Post by TheLegendaryBroly on Dec 10, 2009 13:45:44 GMT -5
I haven´t advanced in discussion because i was only speaking about trolls and ents, i don´t have to answer to a patch with different rules, you are not making us any favor, when i´ve tried to unable trolls and ents you didn´t accept it, because i didn´t speak of all you said. So, it´s you who is not advancing in the changes of battle. Until now, i didn´t see any request that we asked that you said a simple "ok". you put problems in everything.I´ll not participate in a battle where only one of the clans choose the rules. (And please, don´t answer me that you haven´t accept any of our request because we haven´t justfy them. we don´t have to do that in everything we say) deadass lol ok no trolls & ent......happy now
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Post by Mithrand!r on Dec 10, 2009 13:55:26 GMT -5
yes, i´m happy now.
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