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Post by Joppi on Sept 10, 2009 10:16:20 GMT -5
Uh, I'm pretty sure Evolution is standard issue in US science classes. Most attempts to take evolution out or introducing "alternative theories" like Intelligent Design or whatever were stopped by the Supreme Court. I do think I remember seeing something about ID in my biology textbook, but I'm not sure. We did learn about evolution, though. As far as sex ed goes, I remember getting some level of sex ed in 5th grade, but I think it was basically just some puberty stuff (nothing goo- I mean, uh). There was a bit more in 7th and 11th grade, but nothing overtly revealing. Most of the 11th grade stuff was just scare tactics, though, like the "don't have sex or you'll get 100 stds, get pregnant (regardless of sex), be abandoned by your family and friends, and then die" crap. Stupid abstinence-only education.  |
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Post by redwurd on Sept 10, 2009 10:21:27 GMT -5
Thanks Joppi, my sister-in-law teaches high school in Northern Michigan, and they do not teach evolution, and for sex education they only teach abstinence! LOL! I guess that's why teen pregnancy is on the rise in the states!
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Post by hanzrimer on Sept 10, 2009 12:06:33 GMT -5
Just to set aside the whole Darwin vs God debate for the time being....... Being Canadian, we "as in Canadians" mostly tend to be.....um not just beer drinking hockey loving winter cursing hosers eh!, but more Liberal (Think Democrat but more to the left) minded. Canada has managed to separate "Church" from Government, even though our government is based on christian values. Evolution is taught in our sciences classes. Sex education is introduced from elementary school levels. I have heard that in American schools are not allowed to teach evolution or sex education, and I can't help but be mind blowingly perplexed by this!?! I would question the motives behind this. Would you not want your citizens to be best equipped to cope with the world outside your borders? God bless America, but there is still the REST OF THE WORLD! Do not get me wrong, I am not slamming America by any means, just help me to understand why or what it is to be an American. If someone wants to believe in (cling to the belief) god that's fine, my main beef is to discredit evolution all together. Some people believe the earth is only 5,000 years old, normally the same people. So I guess Giant sloth's, 50 foot Crocodiles and not to mention Dinosaurs all went extinct around which time? Unless you are to say those never existed and the fossils are all lies. |
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Post by dhampird on Sept 10, 2009 12:22:43 GMT -5
Don't forget the zounds of dead bodies and skeletons found to this day. But I guess all those people where born and lived within 5000 years ? . Thinking about those people hurts my head Hanz  |
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Post by hanzrimer on Sept 10, 2009 12:34:23 GMT -5
Don't forget the zounds of dead bodies and skeletons found to this day. But I guess all those people where born and lived within 5000 years ? . Thinking about those people hurts my head Hanz Exactly , there are tons of extinct homids that are not around today either, like Neanderthals and homo Erectus. |
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Post by dhampird on Sept 10, 2009 13:50:41 GMT -5
Exactly.
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Post by hanzrimer on Sept 10, 2009 15:49:47 GMT -5
My theory has always been if you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people (probably offended a few people with that one, sorry!) ;D
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Post by Joppi on Sept 10, 2009 16:02:25 GMT -5
Don't you mean House's theory?
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Post by hanzrimer on Sept 11, 2009 11:48:06 GMT -5
Don't you mean House's theory?[/quote I meant something I agree with, not something I made up. |
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Post by Fober-dud on Sept 12, 2009 14:10:51 GMT -5
BM, my bro bought a dvd called "Expelled: no intelligence allowed" where ben stein  just goes and talks to a bunch of Evolutionists and Creationists, and actually does an interview with Richard Dawkins at the end O.o. Interesting stuff, u would prob be able to youtube the interview between Stein and Dawkins. just throwin that out there. P.S. lol not sure if that is how Stein spells his last name lol, but whatever. peace from the fob. I've seen this "documentary", Ben Stein should be ashamed of himself. and Yash, yes I know what you meant, I was just saying since she said she didn't believe in evolution at all I figured the rest of her opinions would be like that any way. just wonderin; why should he be ashamed of himself? thats an accusation thrown out there with no evidence to support it. |
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Post by Fober-dud on Sept 14, 2009 3:34:42 GMT -5
From my understanding, Evolution Theory (natural selection) states that it took billions of years for the cell to evolve from an "original" cell into the complex life-forms that we see today and also that they will continue to evolve. They claim to use science as their method of discovery.
From my understanding, Intelligent Design Theory states that there must have been an "Intelligent Designer" or Creator of the "original" cell, and questions Evolution's premise as to how the world came to be. They also claim to use science as their method of discovery.
And from my understanding, Creationism Theory states that God made the world in 6 days, and also questions Evolution's premise as to how the world came to be.They claim to use science as their method of discovery and claim that the Bible supports it (science).
Now, my question to Evolution is: How did the "original" cell get there?
My question to Intelligent Design is: How can you prove that an "Intelligent Designer" is out there?
And my question to Creationism is: How can you prove that God exists? and 2) How can you trust the Bible?
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Post by yash3ahuja on Sept 14, 2009 8:47:14 GMT -5
^^ good questions, but Boone knows. What caused the matter to turn from xx to a cell? I think that's why people believe in god, he explains the unexplainable.
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Post by redwurd on Sept 14, 2009 9:33:08 GMT -5
Ah the 'spark' that got this whole ball (we call life the universe & everything!) rolling in the first place....thus back to the whole debate! A never ending continual loop of vicious cycle, that though we may strive to answer, can never be answered!
Even before Christianity was, Greek Philosopher's were asking the same bloody questions over 2500 years ago! Protagoras's "'man is the measure of all things", that there is no objective and eternal truth, and that the only thing we can know is our own perception and sensations of the world.
Plato: "How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?"
Socrates said it best: "True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us."
So whatever gets you through the night floating your boat while your in a foxhole having sex shouting out OH GOD! That my friends is your ANSWER!
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Post by hanzrimer on Sept 14, 2009 11:07:18 GMT -5
I've seen this "documentary", Ben Stein should be ashamed of himself. and Yash, yes I know what you meant, I was just saying since she said she didn't believe in evolution at all I figured the rest of her opinions would be like that any way. just wonderin; why should he be ashamed of himself? thats an accusation thrown out there with no evidence to support it. Did you see the documentary? M.r stein is full of shit, he acts unbiased but he is clearly trying to demonize Evolution, comparing people who believe in to Nazis, even going to Nazi Death camps (like wtf??!) . He should be ashamed of himself because his "documentary" had more propaganda in it then a Michael Moore film. He can believe what he wants, as we all can but I think his film did more harm for his cause then anything. And just for the record intelligent design is basically believing in "god did it", Except they just are vague about it and say "some intelligent force". what the hell does that even mean? |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 14, 2009 17:10:11 GMT -5
The conditions on earth billions of years ago were very different from today. There were a lot of sources of very high energy, and no atmosphere to block the sun. The theory is that energy was applied to inorganic matter in such a way that organic matter was produced.
The support for that comes in lab testing, where they HAVE simulated the conditions they think were present in billions of years ago, subjected inorganic matter to it, and come out with some of the building blocks of life today.
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just goes and talks to a bunch of Evolutionists and Creationists, and actually does an interview with Richard Dawkins at the end O.o. Interesting stuff, u would prob be able to youtube the interview between Stein and Dawkins. just throwin that out there.
