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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 14:48:09 GMT -5
The growing Athiest, non-secular population is not by accident. The goal, from my perspective, by the elitists...is to bring these people and unite them under the Theosophical/New Age banner. One government, one religion, one currency...that is the goal of these people. To control every aspect of human life and put an end to freedom and individuality.
Skewing scientific data will only help their cause; especially regarding Evolution. The evloutionists are very much tied in with the globalists - with the end result being complete domination of the species.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Aug 4, 2009 14:57:39 GMT -5
that doesn't make sense though. These "elitists," as you call them, they don't stand to gain anything by uniting everyone under any banner. Quite the contrary. They need for there to exist artificial designations by which we feel different from one another so that there is conflict between the masses. If the masses were unfied and not fighting each other over essentially trivial matters (skin color, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc) then they would be the greatest threat to the power of your "elitists."
Furthermore, atheism is not a sect or even a unified group. Atheists don't all have the same set of beliefs or lifestyles in common. The only thing they have in common is that they don't believe in god, but beyond that they have all sorts of different philosophies and ideas on life. Too often people make the mistake of clumping atheists together as though they need to belong to one group in the same way that people of a certain religion do.
And finally, I still don't understand what exactly would be achieved by skewing data on the genomes.
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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 15:07:19 GMT -5
that doesn't make sense though. These "elitists," as you call them, they don't stand to gain anything by uniting everyone under any banner. Quite the contrary. They need for there to exist artificial designations by which we feel different from one another so that there is conflict between the masses. If the masses were unfied and not fighting each other over essentially trivial matters (skin color, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, etc) then they would be the greatest threat to the power of your "elitists." Furthermore, atheism is not a sect or even a unified group. Atheists don't all have the same set of beliefs or lifestyles in common. The only thing they have in common is that they don't believe in god, but beyond that they have all sorts of different philosophies and ideas on life. Too often people make the mistake of clumping atheists together as though they need to belong to one group in the same way that people of a certain religion do. And finally, I still don't understand what exactly would be achieved by skewing data on the genomes. It makes perfect sense. It's classic divide and conquer...or problem - reaction - solution. They create the division/crisis and swoop in with the solution/answer to our problems. This has been done for centuries. Of course, we are being divided --this creates a problem...for which the all-mighty Governments of the world (the front men for the globalists/elite) have the answers to. The agenda has stalled and is still being worked towards because many, many people are waking up to this fact. On Atheism, I never said it was sect or a unified group. I said the goal was to unite those (and everyone eventually) under one banner. Why? What would be benefit of this for "them"? It's all about power and control. If you can control the masses and get them to be content with their servitude (which is already occuring with most of the population), you can control the populations of the world more easily...and without contestation. It's all about Power and Control. On your last question, I think I've answered that already. If not, sorry...I don't wish to comment further on human/ape genome research. |
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Post by megajonzero on Aug 4, 2009 15:14:20 GMT -5
Well said Strider , I believe the same.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Aug 4, 2009 15:23:56 GMT -5
sure, but they still would not want people to be unified. That would be the last thing they want. There is a need for people to be in conflict so that those in power are never themselves threatened. As long as people are preoccupied with trivial differences they remain oblivious to the larger matters at hand.
Throughout time the elites have gained not through unifying people, but through keeping them divided. Ideas such as racism are just tools to control the masses.
It's a lot easier to control people who are divided and bickering amongst themselves, which is why your theory does not make sense to me. If people are unified then they will be much harder to control.
I consider eveything with a healthy amount of skepticism, but I see no reason to doubt scientific findings such as decoding the human and chimp genonmes, the results of which are published and made public for everyone to evaluate.
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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 15:42:39 GMT -5
It's not about unifying the people so much, as it is getting them under ONE SYSTEM. A massive CONTROL grid.
What they want to eventually achieve is ONE WORLD RULE. They keep creating problems and issues so eventually people are so lost and jaded...that they say: "YES, PLEASE HELP ME GOVERNMENT! TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!"
Like I said, this is already happening and has been happening for quite some time now. If the globalists were to reduce the population (planned parenthood, eugenics) to a certain point (look up the Georgia guidestones) and get them all to accept their New Age agenda as the answer to their problems...their reach of control would be far greater than anything in the history of mankind. .
Right now, as controlled and fascist as everything is, we still have people acting and thinking of free will.
Orwell warned us of this impending crisis with his novel 1984. Tolkien expressed his disdain for industry, the destruction of nature, and the control of the masses under the "ONE RING".
So, while it is important to divide us now (which you see)...it is even more important for them to eventually swoop in with their solution. Their plan for world domination.
Problem - Reaction - Solution.
Divide...then Conquer.
PS: I trust scientific journals or reports as much as I trust Faux news or any other mass media outlet. Fact is, I don't know enough about the research and for me to have a TRULY informed opinion on genome research...I'd actually have to do some. Or rather...speak with someone (directly) that has done the research. Misinformation and propagand know no bounds.
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Post by Joppi on Aug 4, 2009 15:47:05 GMT -5
Tolkien expressed his disdain for industry, the destruction of nature, and the control of the masses under the "ONE RING". OH FUCK HOLY SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT MIND = BLOWN |
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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 15:49:56 GMT -5
Tolkien expressed his disdain for industry, the destruction of nature, and the control of the masses under the "ONE RING". OH FUCK HOLY SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT MIND = BLOWN Sarcasm meter just went off. I was just trying to make it relevant. Since this a LotR board. No need to be an ass. |
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Post by Joppi on Aug 4, 2009 15:57:39 GMT -5
OH FUCK HOLY SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT MIND = BLOWN Sarcasm meter just went off. I was just trying to make it relevant. Since this a LotR board. No need to be an ass. I was being serious. ;_; |
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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 15:59:26 GMT -5
Sarcasm meter just went off. I was just trying to make it relevant. Since this a LotR board. No need to be an ass. I was being serious. ;_; Oh...well...okay then...LOL... |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Aug 4, 2009 16:03:32 GMT -5
Once again, I don't see how promoting the idea that we are evolved from apes via genetic research as well as a great deal of other evidence including fossil evidence and embryonic research, would help put people under a control grid.
There are already plenty of other things which achieve that goal. They don't need people to say "help me government tell me how to live my life." No, in fact they are much more comfortable with people thinking they are free and have their own opinions, when they really aren't. They don't need to swoop in with any sort of solution. Heck, people are already told how to live their lives through the media and mass marketing.
George Orwell's 1984 was a criticism of totalitarian government, not of scientific research. And even today you shouldn't be concerned with the veractity of the theory of evolution and genetic research as much as you should be about the government's actions taking away people's freedoms, the way they track information, and the corruption in governement, all of which are much more relevant to orwell's book and to social control.
Science is not always right, I agree. But it doesn't claim to be. That's one of the most important qualities about science, and that findings are always being questioned and even past theories that were previously accepted are constantly being challenged and often changed in the light of emerging evidence. The theory of evolution itself is constantly amended as we discover new things; just recently they found fossils which suggested that perhaps lakes, not the the ocean as previously believed, were the first scenes of life. And while it is important to question things, sometimes science IS correct, like how the earth is actually round, not flat, or how the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
And just as a side note I find it funny that you acknoledge that you are not fully qualified to have a properly informed opinion on genetic research, but you are making statements about much grander things as though they were fact.
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Post by starscreamrobot on Aug 4, 2009 16:17:37 GMT -5
Well, this is kind of a pleasant surprise. Let me throw my axe in here for the political warrior double team.
BM, you seem to be getting hung up on the idea that control is more easily exerted over people in constant conflict. This is certainly true in the short term, and there's absolutely no way to deny it and in that regard you are 100% correct.
The problem is, you have to think end game. Evil geniuses and cartoon supervillains and real-world would-be world dominators always try to take over the world, but never think about how they'd run it once they actually have.
The problem with trying to subjegate a people in conflict is this: conflict breeds heroes. People will invariably rally around a hero over the established government and allow them to effect change soley for the sake of doing so. Look at all the people who have come close to ruling the world throughout history, they all earned their stripes through conflicted times and earned a massive following, or "cult of personality," as Stalin called it, allowing them to do what they did no matter how much it went against basic, established ideas.
Conflict is a wonderful tool for establishing control, but a terrible tool for maintaining it. A people in conflict are a people constantly questioning authority, and a people ripe for change, and more importantly, an individualist people who greatly value their own lives and are willing to follow a sole individual to death in battle or, more importantly, for an intangible cause.
Individualism and free thinking are the enemy of those who would wish to control everything, and that's exactly what conflict breeds.
The best way to maintain control is by keeping people complacent and ignorant. It is extremely difficult to do this in an atmosphere ripe with conflict.
How do you do this? Look around you.
You have to keep the people ignorant and stupid. And I'm not talking about the farce that is the education system or academia, I'm talking about dumbing people down so much that they lack basic common sense. It's all around you. You seem like a smart guy, BM, do you ever feel like you're surrounded by idiots? I know I do. That's because we are. People aren't just lacking in education, though the government has done an "admirable" job in reducing the public education system to borderline uselessness and made academic ventures an adventure in masturbatory pretentiousness that is completely inapplicable to the real world. People are lacking in common sense. Street smarts. A basic understanding in how the things around you work, in how to interact with people and the world around you.
How do they do that? Distraction. Mainstream, government-influenced ( or run, in some cases ) media keeps people thinking about such insolent, mind-numbingly stupid ideas. If you wiped someone's mind and told them to learn about the world around them by watching the news, by the end of a week they would officially know more about Paris Hilton than the fact thousands of people are dying of AIDS in Africa and nobody seems to give a shit. Wether this is by design or merely a result of the dumbing down of the populace I suppose is up for debate.
The point is to keep people fat, lazy, stupid, and most importantly, complacent to the point that even if they have some inkling of a realization that freedom and civilization as a whole is burning to the ground around them, they just shrug and log on to Facebook to talk about celebrities and maybe pick up a Big Mac on their way to the mall to funnel their paycheck back to the very people they recieved it from.
You can't keep people complacent if there is overwhelming conflict present.
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Post by Joppi on Aug 4, 2009 16:24:55 GMT -5
You seem like a smart guy, BM, do you ever feel like you're surrounded by idiots? I know I do. That's because we are.  Relevant?  |
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Aug 4, 2009 16:28:36 GMT -5
I agree. But when I was referring to conflict I meant artificial and easily regulated conflict. Not something real like food shortages or an economic depression. I agree that when people all over are facing hard times and desperation sets in, at that moment it is the most dangerous for those in power and the most likely that the people will unite and rise up, setting aside the artificial differences and insignficant conflicts in which they were embroiled.
And I agree with the rest of what you said. I myself alluded to it in my previous post: "people are already told how to live their lives through the media and mass marketing."
Everything from "news" about unimportant things to junk food is created to generate massive revenue for the very few while keeping the masses stupid and subjugated.
The other thing is, you mentioned government controlled media. I have to say I disagree with that. It certainly is a problem in countries with totalitarian governments like the former USSR. But in America, for example, the government itself is controlled by those with money. In effect, the government is not actually in power, and it's not government controlled media as much as it is corporation controlled media.
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Post by Strider on Aug 4, 2009 16:36:36 GMT -5
"Once again, I don't see how promoting the idea that we are evolved from apes via genetic research as well as a great deal of other evidence including fossil evidence and embryonic research, would help put people under a control grid."
I'm not definitively saying that they are. However, I would not at all be surprised if that were they case. Why? Unification priciple (the END GAME). Believe what you want.
"There are already plenty of other things which achieve that goal. They don't need people to say "help me government tell me how to live my life." No, in fact they are much more comfortable with people thinking they are free and have their own opinions, when they really aren't. They don't need to swoop in with any sort of solution. Heck, people are already told how to live their lives through the media and mass marketing."
There are already people saying "that" (reference: Gov't control). And, yes...there is a reason for that...which has been completely engineered. Of course, especially in America, people in the middle class think that they are free to do what they will. That is definitely a part of the plan. Igorance, helplessness, and servitude all work hand in hand. You don't think people want a solution? Where did you grow up? Affluent background? Like I said, I've seen the worst of the worst...and there are plenty of people who have nothing...that want a solution.
There are segments of society that are looking for answers and there are other segments (the yuppies - last remaining of the middle class) who think everything is fine and dandy. But, their time is coming...because Yuppie-ville is starting to crumble. As is everything around us.
"George Orwell's 1984 was a criticism of totalitarian government, not of scientific research. And even today you shouldn't be concerned with the veractity of the theory of evolution and genetic research as much as you should be about the government's actions taking away people's freedoms, the way they track information, and the corruption in governement, all of which are much more relevant to orwell's book and to social control. "
Did I say 1984 is a direct criticism of scientific research? It is a criticism of the entire world control grid that's in place...not just totalitarian government. You've got me baffled and maybe you misunderstood me. I tried to get away from Science and move in to the realm of what you are mentioning (social stratification and control). Maybe I shouldn't have...but that's what I intended.
"And just as a side note I find it funny that you acknoledge that you are not fully qualified to have a properly informed opinion on genetic research, but you are making statements about much grander things as though they were fact."
I never said I wasn't knowledgable on the subject, but I won't pretend to be an expert; or have all the answers. Therefore, I don't really feel comfortable making notes on the issue further. I meant to convey my uneasiness in discussing the matter.
I'm not stating any facts...just my opinions through research that I've done. I can say the same thing about what you're typing. Fact is...neither one of us knows the full truth on any of what we're discussing.
These are opinions.
Excellent post Starscream.
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