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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 5:43:19 GMT -5
crusader and bm, you both have marenko on your lists, but the only two 1v1's i've played were against crushedbydesire(marenko) and grad. Marenko 1v1 was close, but grad destroyed me like 10-2. I've played with both in clan matches too, and they were probably pretty even in 8v8. So grad's 1v1 skills give him the edge. Another thing to keep in mind is matchups do make a difference. For example, Matgordo claims that he does much better again broly in 1v1s while against me he does terribly. But you don't see anyone that will say that my warrior is better than broly's.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Mar 18, 2010 6:43:16 GMT -5
I think all the newest threads on proboards always end with a flame war. Every1 should stop saying who is better than who, just wait for the awards and see who is in the top 10 (top 5 + honorable mention), bcuz everyone have diferents opinion of who is better, bcuz everyone experimented diferent experience with diferent pp ( example of this is the top 10 mages list of bm and crusader, some names are the same but others not), but the awards show a combination of everyone opinion and that will give an accurate list of the top mages. BTW i know some ppl say that the awards are "fake" and it is only a popularity contest, i think thats not true bcuz im sure ppl vote for the ppl who deserve it, i know i did it, if you dont believe me ask the admin if i put in the top position ppl i dont like. jenaez, those mages I listed are mages that I think are better than grad. Not my top 10 list of mages in the game. However, I would pick some of those as top 10 mages.
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Post by viking56 on Mar 18, 2010 10:57:39 GMT -5
most of this is all your opinions, grad should not have used the term better, we have 4 guys that match yours pretty well not better, cash-bm, shadow-pookz, joppi-grad, jenaez-gow, you beat us with the other four and we had to switch the last time due to no pookz, not sure if it would matter, bauer-strider about same warrior skill, darth -nexsus pretty close, rizen beats me as team mage so had us there, ouphe -amaced can play archer which helped you guys out
crusaders list has 3 mages from braves better than grad : merlin, him and enrique, we had grad me and strider play mage vs braves, none of us were listed on either list, if they we so much better the braves would've beat us, oh wait they didn't and had better mages lol , we played redskin vs evod and he was listed better than grad and didn't even come close to us in tdms i think, so yes maybe there are better people than grad and us available but they tried to beat us and failed so if they think their opinion should count they should have backed it up by beating us, tm7 beat us 3 times you're better
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 11:05:58 GMT -5
lol, you didn't have pookz, but we didn't have nexsus and jenaez for half the match, rizen for the last 3 games, and NO BROLY (for the entire tournament mind you).
And are you serious?
If the following is true:
BM = Cash Badger = Pookz Joppi = Grad (wtf this the worst one of all) jenaez = gow bauer = strider and darth = nexsus
Then you guys should have won a lot more than you did. Or at the very least the results would not have been so ridiculously lopsided. But neither of those things happened, we dominated (see last post - .875 game winning percentage, 1.000 mode and match), so your analysis must be wrong. Clearly at least 3 of those are not equal, and TM7 is better.
I think this is a much more accurate assessment of the relative skill levels:
BM > cash Badger > Pookz Joppi >>>>> Grad Jenaez = gow (I actually think jenaez is a better scout and slightly better warrior, but gow has more versatility) bauer > strider for mage, strider > bauer for warrior, so average bauer = strider nexsus > darth
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Post by viking56 on Mar 18, 2010 11:43:58 GMT -5
i said you are better but what makes badger's archer better than pookz? gow beat jenaez for mithril nights leader on ps3 and is one of the only players in the game that can play any class at anytime at a level most people wish they could play one class, shadow badger, broly and yourself are very good also, i didn't say they were equal it was our counter, i am not sure any clan could even attempt to match you we tried and failed
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 18, 2010 11:46:16 GMT -5
well i did overall play just as good as anyone in tdm, i led in kills in 2 games, so as far as tdm go's i was just as or more effective then everyone else. we didn't have pookz at all, now if we did i'm pretty sure we would have won tdm. being that we fought short pretty much all of rivendale and didn't have him on pellinor, where his archer defenitely would have made a difference.
you guys have more talent and better teamwork, and as far as wins go, you defenitely dominated. but most matches were close. it's similar to how you said that with respawns you can't tell exactly how close the match was because there were alot of fights where 1 warrior would die and all of the damage he did to the winner would be erased once he respawns, so at the end you see that the score is 10 to 5, but most of those fights were closer then what a 10 to 5 score shows. so yea you guys won 6 of 7 matches, but thats like looking at a fight with respawns, doesn't show how close the fights actually were, being that 5 of those 7 were
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 18, 2010 11:47:58 GMT -5
as close as a match could get.
but you guys definitely have more talented players
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 11:52:09 GMT -5
If you want I'll calculate point differential.
And like I said, you didn't have pookz but we were missing a LOT more and we still won. The only reason the games in the last match were even close was because we were so unexpectedly short handed, and because we had basically NO mic connectivity. And you STILL only won a grand total of...wait for it...1 game. So even with all the problems we had we dominated.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 11:56:34 GMT -5
i said you are better but what makes badger's archer better than pookz? gow beat jenaez for mithril nights leader on ps3 and is one of the only players in the game that can play any class at anytime at a level most people wish they could play one class, shadow badger, broly and yourself are very good also, i didn't say they were equal it was our counter, i am not sure any clan could even attempt to match you we tried and failed I'm not denying that pookz is a really good archer. I voted for him for fourth place for the final awards. However, I have not seen anyone more accurate than shadow-badger, and when fob is in his ear helping adding his cunning and knowledge badger is IMO the best archer in the game. As for gow and jenaez, I've played and beaten both of them more than once in warrior 1v1s. However, jenaez did beat me once. That, combined with what I observed from both of them makes me feel like jenaez edges gow slightly in warrior. And although gow's scout is very good, IMO jenaez is the best scout in the game (followed closely by jberube).
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Post by jenaez on Mar 18, 2010 12:05:12 GMT -5
i said you are better but what makes badger's archer better than pookz? gow beat jenaez for mithril nights leader on ps3 and is one of the only players in the game that can play any class at anytime at a level most people wish they could play one class, shadow badger, broly and yourself are very good also, i didn't say they were equal it was our counter, i am not sure any clan could even attempt to match you we tried and failed I have to say 1on1 dont show who is better, but gow did beat me the other day 10-9 with respawn (the 1st 1on1 where he beat me) and after that i beat him 10-7 without respawn
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 12:13:35 GMT -5
I have to say 1on1 dont show who is better, but gow did beat me the other day 10-9 with respawn (the 1st 1on1 where he beat me) and after that i beat him 10-7 without respawn There you have it. And I know they've done many other 1v1s, all of which jenaez won.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 18, 2010 12:18:38 GMT -5
well go ahead, like i said we got owned twice, won once and gave up leads in the other four matches, i highly doubt we would have won the whole battle, but i believe that if we had pooks those 2 matches that were close in tdm we would have for sure won imo.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 18, 2010 12:20:28 GMT -5
We gave up a huge lead (like 10 kills) in osgiliath. But I'm not complaining or implying that we were entitled to win it like you're trying to do. Runs happen, leads change. Just because you led at some point doesn't mean you "should have won," on the contrary, it is the team that wins that should have won.
Basically you can talk "ifs" all you want. "If" you had pookz, yeah, well, "if" we had BROLY, "if" we didn't lose rizen (and "if" he didn't have connection problems the whole night even when he did play), "if" jenaez and nexsus could have been there the whole match.
I would GLADLY trade you pookz for Broly, and nexsus, jenaez, and rizen for all the matches, and no lag for rizen. Would you? I don't think so. Because "IF" we had all that, you KNOW it would have been slaughter.
It's funny you would even try to suggest you could have won, because TM7 at full strength >>>>>>> CT at full strength. After all, you had pookz for the first round of the tournament, so we've already shown that TM7 at less than max >> CT at full strength. And in the finals we showed that TM7 at literally less than half strength > CT at full except for pookz.
Like I said earlier, the only reason the last match had some close games was because we had all those problems. You gotta keep things in perspective.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 18, 2010 12:37:55 GMT -5
first off if broly had been there the matches probably wouldn't have been close, but he hasn't been on in weeks and was done with lotr before the tournament started anyway.
but in tdm when we don't have one of our best archers it makes a bigger difference. plus we fought short at rivendale for almost the whole match, and had no pooks. and you had jenaez there. so both teams were short and we still had close matches.
trust me, i know that we're not as good as you guys are by some distance, i'm just stating that the battles were close. and we lost most of them, so obviously you guys are better.
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Post by viking56 on Mar 18, 2010 12:44:06 GMT -5
who doesn't have lag its ps3 and lotr sucks on ps3 for lag, go to xbox for no lag, who implied we could win? we didin't win you act like we said it could have gone either way, that cant happen unless we win a mode we didn't, 1v1 tells you who is better at 1v1 in map full i would choose gow everytime and jenaez, i wouldn't call your last team "literally half strength" cuz the guys you recruited are very good also
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