1v1 Tournament Discussion

[Onde Aander]

Last night Death & I were discussing whether or not to change the format of the final to have brackets instead... Main drawbacks are (1) the match-ups won't be as close in terms of skill (2) we already announced the tournament as it is (3) we can't really make a leaderboard-style ranking of participants out of a bracket system. I was thinking we could have this leaderboard be the basis of our stats matches, e.g. a "warrior season" match is automatically a challenge for your spot on the "leaderboard". Top spot is probably synonymous with the WC warrior title, since the titleholder is among us & if you can beat him for his rank, you can beat him for his title (good luck with that, though). We can still do a leaderboard even if we change the tournament format, it'll just be more difficult to decide on the initial ranking.

Thoughts? What are the advantages of doing a bracket system instead? We could set up the matches we want to see, of course, but less-skilled participants would kind of get shafted because they'd have to play one of our probable finalists and be eliminated right away. I want to see some good, close fights & that's why I think it would be best to just keep the format as it is. I think everyone would have more fun if we're ALL playing at our skill level & not just the final 4.

Thoughts? I defer to the wisdom of ronjons.

P.S. @ Death - we should have totally discussed this BEFORE we announced it. We can probably get away with changing the format of the final if we want, but we definitely can't change the dates now so I hope you can make it!

[Onde Aander]

Further to that... I just realized that even with a 15 minute time limit, 16 finalists would take 4 hours back-to-back so I think we will have to change things up a bit... sounds like it's back to your idea, Death. I just don't want to see super-unfair match-ups. Maybe we should divide up the rounds based on the trial results so that those who performed best in the trials don't fight at all in the first round & go straight to the 2nd or 3rd. Like, the first round is to give the people who didn't do so well in the trials a chance to get in the next level...

[Onde Aander]

So my current thought is: We have 5 rounds total (4 rounds and the final match for the win). So we take the top 16 people from the trials... the top 4 go straight through to round 3, the next 4 go straight through to round 2, and the bottom 8 go to round 1. Let's call them group A (4 people), B (4 people), and C (8 people). So group C plays round 1 and 4 of them go on to join group B in round 2. Then the 4 winners of round 2 go on to join group A in round 3. Round 4 then has only 4 players (2 matches) and that brings us to the final (round 5).

In total that's 3 rounds of 4 matches, 1 round of 2 matches, and then the final match. So if we allow 20 mins per match that should take about 2 1/2 hours (allowing 10 mins break between rounds) if we don't allow any rematches. If anyone doesn't show, everyone below him gets promoted and the player with the best trial score out of those who were eliminated comes in to round 1.

The whole reason I am suggesting this as opposed to normal brackets is because we know the skill difference between warriors can be especially large & I'd like all of the matches to be as close as possible without eliminating some of the best players right away in the first round.

[jonathan1515]

Dec 11, 2009 13:33:22 GMT -5 Onde Aander said:

So my current thought is: We have 5 rounds total (4 rounds and the final match for the win). So we take the top 16 people from the trials... the top 4 go straight through to round 3, the next 4 go straight through to round 2, and the bottom 8 go to round 1. Let's call them group A (4 people), B (4 people), and C (8 people). So group C plays round 1 and 4 of them go on to join group B in round 2. Then the 4 winners of round 2 go on to join group A in round 3. Round 4 then has only 4 players (2 matches) and that brings us to the final (round 5).

In total that's 3 rounds of 4 matches, 1 round of 2 matches, and then the final match. So if we allow 20 mins per match that should take about 2 1/2 hours (allowing 10 mins break between rounds) if we don't allow any rematches. If anyone doesn't show, everyone below him gets promoted and the player with the best trial score out of those who were eliminated comes in to round 1.

The whole reason I am suggesting this as opposed to normal brackets is because we know the skill difference between warriors can be especially large & I'd like all of the matches to be as close as possible without eliminating some of the best players right away in the first round.

This looks like a great way to do the tournament. Seems easy to do and still keeps the matches even for the most part.

[ES Tiberon]

sounds good to me =)

[[ROJOES]ronjons]

good idea burzo.

[BulgarianMenace]

I think you should consider changing the parts of your ruleset regarding respawns and dancing. For complete reasoning, check out my thread in the conquest discussion forum:

lotrconquest.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lotrconquestdiscussion&action=display&thread=909&page=1

[Onde Aander]

BM I think we're happy with our tournament rules. Though I will say, I wouldn't mind facing Tiberon in a no-respawn match. Many of our fights are soooooo close but he's just one step ahead. At least yesterday's 3-10 wasn't a TOTAL embarrassment, considering the fight will probably show up on youtube.

[BulgarianMenace]

Well, when you're running it I guess you don't have to justify your rules to anyone, but it would be nice if you could.

[Onde Aander]

Dec 13, 2009 20:15:44 GMT -5 BulgarianMenace said:

Well, when you're running it I guess you don't have to justify your rules to anyone, but it would be nice if you could.

It's just how we've always done all our "official" 1v1s following the example set by L Star 32 and giaquinto718 (Mithril Knights founder), probably almost a year ago now. When we practice we don't usually respawn, when we're recording match results we respawn. Anyway we fight each other so much that we don't even need the recorded scores to tell us who's a better warrior. The scores and stats are just for a bit of fun.. we're all good friends & it's not super-competitive.