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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 16:04:18 GMT -5
like i said, we got raped in the win department, you guys also raped us in 4 of those matches out of 14, we won 2, one we lost 1 to 3 in ctr, which is a solid win, the rest were close, and yea you won them, but if you guys truly raped us you wouldn't have been down in any of those matches, owning us would be you winnin more then half of those matches by alot and LEADING from start to finish. which only happened in those 4 matches i mentioned.
i know that you guys are quite a bit better then us, that doesn't mean that we can't have close matches. and if you could read joppi you'd see that i said that if broly had been in any of those macthes they none would have been close.
pooks did play in the first battle, but we didn't play tdm in that battle. in the last one we did, and you guys won 2 tdm's by a combined total of 3, one of those wins coming on the best match for archers and we didn't have our best archer unlike you guys did and we only lost by 1, and i also said that we played better then we should
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 16:07:34 GMT -5
have, which is a compliment to how much better then us you guys are. and idc what he played, my point is that i was more effective in tdm then he was. it's not like mages can't rack up kills, and i'm not nothin special at archer (apparently) anyways, so that shouldn't matter right? lol
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Post by Strider on Mar 19, 2010 16:09:12 GMT -5
TM7's core is strong (BM, Joppi, rizen, Shadow, Bauer, fob). The players that filled the gaps around them (while all very talented) could've been just about anyone from either of the two clans. They had the better team - even if one believes it wasn't by much.
TM7 had a clear advantage at archer (IMO) and this made the difference more than anything. When we weren't shielded, they made us pay for it - and Bauer/Nexsus did as good a job as any at breaking our shields. I'm not saying that cash, grad, and willf didn't do a great job, it just seemed as if Joppi, Badger, and (sometimes) Amaced tipped the matches in TM7's favor.
Whereas, I felt that when I was breaking shields, our archers weren't as spot on. Example: at the end of the Pelennor Fields TDM, I broke through on the left side (against 3 mages) and all of them put their shields down. That should have ended the game right there.
Another issue CT had was that we didn't have people dedicated to their classes - except for ouphe, will, and willf. We were jumbled and often confused on that front.
We (CT) failed to finish matches & executed poorly (at times), and we were just outplayed. No one should be hanging their heads though - we had some great matches to send LotRC off.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 16:15:54 GMT -5
like i said before the battle, without pooks they have a big advantage at archer
i didn't have any specials to shoot at the time you broke there shields because i had used them when will broke em right before, i don't know about grad and willf, and in tdm rivendale all 3 of our mages dropped there shields at the same time to try and get the last 2 kills and i was yelling on the mic for them to not drop them and they plus the random all got killed. we definitely all made our mistakes in that battle.
strider is right, we tried and lost, no matter how it happened you guys are still the best and we're second
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 19, 2010 16:30:51 GMT -5
not only that, but I already went over how we had unusually severe mic problems (never been that bad, at one point I stopped talking because I felt like I was talking to a wall), rizen had connection problems the whole night and had to sit the final 3 games, and we were missing jenaez and nexsus for much of the match.
And we STILL won. And you still only got one game off us.
If we take a look at the tdm games
Rivendell - No nexsus caused a warrior shortage. We attempted to solve this by having me and bauer go warrior and seeing how it went, changing depending on the results. Almost immediately it became clear that wasn't going to work. We fell behind because me and bauer were sacrificing ourselves and our team wasn't taking advantage.
I switched to mage and we spent the rest of the match taking back control. Those circumstances are the only reason it was close.
As for you vs me in terms of impact, you may have had more kills but it is abundantly clear that I had a much bigger impact since you can trace our turnaround from when I switched classes.
Osgiliath - We lost rizen right before this map. Our shielding was abysmal, our mages too aggressive, our teamwork shoddy (it was pretty bad the whole night because of the mic problem, but losing rizen, our best team player, made the problem much worse), and that let you guys get back after we built a decent lead.
Helm's Deep - 50 to 25, ARE YOU SERIOUS? In this map our mages being too aggressive and not shielding enough was mitigated by the very varied spawn locations and walls that divide people up.
Pellinor - You guys camped out behind the oliphant carcass. We came to you. We suffered from the same problem as we did on osgiliath - no mics + no rizen + bad mage play. So we ended up crossing half the field with me being the only mage shielding. I think you can see how that can be a major disadvantage, especially on pell. AND YET we managed to pull out the victory because although the sum of our parts was not greater than the whole, it was greater than your whole (just enough).
Essentially our teamwork was majorly gimped, and us without teamwork was pretty close, but still better, than you with teamwork.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 19, 2010 16:35:32 GMT -5
You need to drop that already.
First, even when you had pookz in the first round we won. Heck, when you had pookz the games were LESS close (there goes your archer advantage theory). Of course, in the first round we didn't have any of the problems we had to deal with in terms of personel and mics that we did in the final.
Which leads me to my second point, you can keep saying "if you had pookz" but I think we both agreed that "if we had nex, jenaez, and rizen for all the matches, and if rizen wasn't battling connection problems and if our mics weren't the worst they had ever been" we would have won by a much wider margin. Notice this time I didn't even add "if we had broly" because then it wouldn't even have been competitive.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 16:55:51 GMT -5
and NOTICE that i said the same thing, and your not the only people who have mic problems, will and grad were having trouble hearing me, i couldn't hear strider for almost the whole match, we had communication problem as well.
i never said we would win the whole battle if we had pooks, but without him it changed our lineup for EVERY match. just stating that we both had our problems in those matches and for the most part they were close.
as for u being a bigger impact then me at riven, you switched to mage before either team got to 30 and we never got up more then 4-5 kills in that match, and the score was 46 to 48 us qhile you were playin mage, then all 3 mages on my team dropped there shields tryin to get a kill and they got shot down by your archers, because we were having problems hearing each other too. the score really stayed the same while you were playin mage and my team made a mistake that your archers capitalized on.
both sides can argue why this could have or did happened, but it doesn't matter
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 17:01:18 GMT -5
because the results aren't goin to change. all i'm tryin to point out, no matter how we did it, we made most of the matches close. does that mean that we are close in skill to you guys, no it doesn't, because we aren't. if we fought again, you guys may have dominated us, who knows, all i'm tryin to say is that they were for the most part close matches
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 19, 2010 17:25:30 GMT -5
They were close. But what you were really trying to say is that the fact that they were close means that certain members we were discussing are equal in skill, or some of your members were better.
I'm simply making the point that statements such as "does that mean that we are close in skill to you guys, no it doesn't, because we aren't" and all the things about how grad, pookz, you, gow, etc are as good or better are diametrically opposed. It can't be both, it has to be one or the other. And since it's proven that the former is true (because TM7 won), the latter must be false.
Also, there's always mic problems. In every match, for every team. But what we were experiencing was far and away beyond your typical problems. It was only amaced who could hear other people (and be heard), and even that was iffy at best (plus he almost never talked), and even then we had people without mics who couldn't hear anyone (and it just so happened that we never played with those people ever before, so they were doubly disadvantaged as far as teamwork goes). I was able to hear joppi after he disconnected, which helped a little, but still did nothing to solve the problem of our coordination between our mages and the rest of our clan (I've already discussed how much our mages hurt us), and it came at the same time we lost rizen.
You didn't face the same hurdles that we did. You had your team intact the whole time, and reasonable mic connectivity. You also had a team that was much more experienced in playing together. We had to use people who never played with us before (and, to make it worse, who had no mics).
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 18:03:26 GMT -5
ok man thats all i wanted to hear, lol, i have my opinions, you have yours. lets end this now. was a good battle, you guys are the best, we are second, i can live with that.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Mar 19, 2010 18:29:36 GMT -5
actually i would put merlin very close to grad, but you and enrique nah dont go by what your mage once was, go by what it is now that is why grad is better than you guys think, but we all have our own opinions grad can match up with any mage, except bm, cash maybe bauer, other than that it all is very close My diminished mage (by my own fault) is still better than grad's mage. You can't possibly say otherwise because you haven't consistently seen my mage in a long time other than in our clan battle which I only used it briefly. When I joined BRAVE (Beginning of November), I dropped my mage and returned to my warrior almost exclusively. That's 5 months of barely using my mage.
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Post by Willf_28 on Mar 19, 2010 19:22:49 GMT -5
LEGEND BROLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 20:13:20 GMT -5
how would you know if your mage was better then his crusader? you have hardly played with him of recent. and no offense to you, but you don't really fight when you play mage, you just stay back behind your shield unless you have the numbers advantage, like almost anytime i seen you in a 1v1 situation you just back up.... and back up.... shield... back up, until you have help, which isn't needed because your good enough to fight by yourself, but your style does not show skill. take merlin for example, he fights for the most part defensively, but he'll fight if he's stuck in a 1v1 situation and no matter who else is around he'll attack if he see's an opportunity to do damage, you pretty much just stay back.
grad also played better then every other mage in our battle against brave, though merlin played good also. i didn't play mage. he even had more kills then your archers did at pellinor as a mage, and kills arehard to come by there as a mage.
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Post by straightcash5 on Mar 19, 2010 20:15:37 GMT -5
if any mage fought him 1v1 besides myself or bm they would lose, i guarantee it.
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Post by Joppi on Mar 19, 2010 20:18:33 GMT -5
Rizen
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