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Post by jenaez on Mar 9, 2010 23:05:40 GMT -5
My point is not saying EVOD spam mages, EVOD had 4 mages most of the time and for me thats not alot, Im just trying to show we only had 2 mages vs the clusterfuck( 4 or 5 idk, but i know`you were more than 3), and show why bm wrote "go mage", bcuz you tryed to make that 2 words mean something like "start spaming mages bcuz they are close", Also when i wrote the class we used wasnt only for pellenor was for all the match
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Post by viking56 on Mar 9, 2010 23:10:12 GMT -5
it really isn't a question of opinion , nexsus is better than anton, cheese or revolt so i dont see the problem there, mabedi matches any of the mages you have,i am not seeing where you were hurt from the subs, saying it could have gone either way is like saying well in the nfc championship if adrian peterson didn't fumble 3 times and bret favre throwing 2 interceptions the vikings would have won yes they would have but that is part of the game, you would have had to drop your good subs, we didn't play gow in tdm or darth angel both starters vs tm7
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Post by ouphe on Mar 9, 2010 23:19:23 GMT -5
My point is not saying EVOD spam mages, EVOD had 4 mages most of the time and for me thats not alot, Im just trying to show we only had 2 mages vs the clusterfuck( 4 or 5 idk, but i know`you were more than 3), and show why bm wrote "go mage", bcuz you tryed to make that 2 words mean something like "start spaming mages bcuz they are close", Also when i wrote the class we used wasnt only for pellenor was for all the match my intention was not to make it seem any way. I misunderstood the context and I retract what I said. but if you're going to state that 4+ mages is a legit strategy, then there's no reason to negatively term it a 'clusterfuck' when that's what CTR entails - protecting the ring. especially when said 'clusterfuck' consisted of 3 mages. I made it explicitly clear: we had 3 mages at the point you were referencing (empirical in the video), sometimes 4 throughout the match (depending on what class fleur was), and 5 for 2 minutes between the first and second captures (when TM7 was in possession of the ring).
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 9, 2010 23:20:43 GMT -5
Well that certainly clears things up. Thanks for taking the time out to watch the vids so that you could `correct both me and yourself.
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Post by jenaez on Mar 9, 2010 23:34:28 GMT -5
My point is not saying EVOD spam mages, EVOD had 4 mages most of the time and for me thats not alot, Im just trying to show we only had 2 mages vs the clusterfuck( 4 or 5 idk, but i know`you were more than 3), and show why bm wrote "go mage", bcuz you tryed to make that 2 words mean something like "start spaming mages bcuz they are close", Also when i wrote the class we used wasnt only for pellenor was for all the match my intention was not to make it seem any way. I misunderstood the context and I retract what I said. but if you're going to state that 4+ mages is a legit strategy, then there's no reason to negatively term it a 'clusterfuck' when that's what CTR entails - protecting the ring. especially when said 'clusterfuck' consisted of 3 mages. I made it explicitly clear: we had 3 mages at the point you were referencing (empirical in the video), sometimes 4 throughout the match (depending on what fleur class was), and 5 for 2 minutes between the first and second captures (when TM7 was in possession of the ring). clusterfuck is just a name, is easier than say "group of mage together moving slowly, doing chain healing and throwing firewall" i think clusterfuck is a legit strategy, CTR is mostly clusterfucking and scout rolling, if a clan dont clusterfuck they have seriour problems.I cant say for sure the exact number of mages of evod, bcuz: 1st i didnt watch the vids carefully 2nd joppi just uploaded the vids when i saw them (1st view btw ) so the quality was shity. Probably you are right, idk im to lazy to check the vids again, anyway i already say this but gg's EVOD .
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Post by Crusader_878 on Mar 10, 2010 0:21:53 GMT -5
it really isn't a question of opinion , nexsus is better than anton, cheese or revolt so i dont see the problem there, mabedi matches any of the mages you have,i am not seeing where you were hurt from the subs, saying it could have gone either way is like saying well in the nfc championship if adrian peterson didn't fumble 3 times and bret favre throwing 2 interceptions the vikings would have won yes they would have but that is part of the game, you would have had to drop your good subs, we didn't play gow in tdm or darth angel both starters vs tm7 As much as I respect Nexsus, he isn't a better scout than anton or cheese. And RevoltSeith is a better warrior. Again, this match could have gone either way.
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Post by viking56 on Mar 10, 2010 1:20:09 GMT -5
what makes them better than nexsus? were they asked to be in the best clan because of their skills? and once again all you have is here say that it could have gone either way, win a mode then it can go either way that simple, we have solid evidence that it didn't go either way, its called beating you in two modes
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 10, 2010 1:58:54 GMT -5
what makes them better than nexsus? were they asked to be in the best clan because of their skills? That's not fair to say. I haven't played with either of the players crusader mentioned outside of clan battles, so I don't know how good they are and I wouldn't know to ask them to join in the first place. On the other hand, I've played a lot with nexsus, and it may be relevant to this conversation to note that I mostly played with his warrior, and when I asked him to join it was for his warrior and not his scout. I don't mean to say that they ARE better than nexsus, just that I personally don't know, and that saying "they weren't invited to TM7 so they must be worse" is flawed.
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Post by brave on Mar 10, 2010 4:06:51 GMT -5
what makes them better than nexsus? were they asked to be in the best clan because of their skills? and once again all you have is here say that it could have gone either way, win a mode then it can go either way that simple, we have solid evidence that it didn't go either way, its called beating you in two modes Listen, I like Nexsus, he has skills, but I personally find cheese to be a better scout. I dont get why you think just because hes M7 hes the best. Keep in mind 3 weeks ago he was a killa army, & a brave for a day or 2(killas clan merged with us). Did the M7 name make his mage able to shoot firewalls out his ass, or some how turn him into a Legend, lol. Im not in anyway trying to imply that we would have won with cheese, but I personally thought these games could have gone the other way as Crusader also stated. You won ctr by picking the same level again(shouldnt be allowed, but whatever ), and one tdm game by 3 kills. This was a very close match. We were getting better as we played. Its a FACT our clan sucks at p fields ctr & tdm. Now, thats just my opinion. Saying all that, Im glad were out, because I stopped playing lotr, because of battlefield 2 being a stellar game. I still hang in the chat with my homeys though. Congrats on the win.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Mar 10, 2010 5:53:58 GMT -5
lol, it isn't.
The rules say:
"Further stages will be chosen by counterpick, which means that the losing team chooses another legal stage which has not yet been played on that will be played next." (emphasis added)
Normally I would say the last game doesn't count and the match should be replayed picking up from right before the second pellenor game. However, due to the fact that there isn't enough time, and you guys agreed to it in chat, I'm going to let it stand.
I suppose if you could finish it tomorrow (or before thursday at 5pm central, which is when EVOD is scheduled to fight CT in the loser's bracket) then that would be fine. Though that might be difficult, I won't stop you from trying if you want to.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Mar 10, 2010 7:43:02 GMT -5
what makes them better than nexsus? were they asked to be in the best clan because of their skills? and once again all you have is here say that it could have gone either way, win a mode then it can go either way that simple, we have solid evidence that it didn't go either way, its called beating you in two modes You won both modes, but that doesn't mean this clan battle couldn't have gone either way. So because someone is asked to join TM7, that makes him better than everybody else? Please, don't make me laugh. Modification: Just so you know, mabedi was not a sub. If you look at our clan roster, you'll see that mabedi is an honorary member of the BRAVE clan. He comes to our chat and has access to our clan section on this site.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Mar 10, 2010 7:46:41 GMT -5
lol, it isn't. The rules say: "Further stages will be chosen by counterpick, which means that the losing team chooses another legal stage which has not yet been played on that will be played next." (emphasis added) Normally I would say the last game doesn't count and the match should be replayed picking up from right before the second pellenor game. However, due to the fact that there isn't enough time, and you guys agreed to it in chat, I'm going to let it stand. I suppose if you could finish it tomorrow (or before thursday at 5pm central, which is when EVOD is scheduled to fight CT in the loser's bracket) then that would be fine. Though that might be difficult, I won't stop you from trying if you want to. Based on what you've stated, it should be replayed. However, you're right, there isn't enough time.
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Post by brave on Mar 10, 2010 8:08:45 GMT -5
It was our fault for not reading the rules again closely. You did a good job with the rules BM, this was on us.
CT outplayed us, Im not going to lie about that. I was really surprised how close the matches were towards the end though. I think we could have won, but p fields took something out of us when we got rolling. We even started the 2nd p fields strong, but the mage/archer combo you guys have for the map is hard for us to match up with in the open field. Plus we just dont play correctly there to be effective.
As a note Im saying COULD have won, not would have. Also noted Enrique wasnt there this time, but you didnt have GOW as well I guess. As I said, I felt you won the match.
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Post by Pookz on Mar 10, 2010 8:22:44 GMT -5
Our plan wasn't to skip every map till we got to pell. We would've played any map that came up next in the rotation... buttt you guys skipped every map until you got the one you want and i believe pell was the next map after minas tirith top. Not saying that's a bad thing to do but it will eventually lead to pell in the rotation again. Of course if we had known the rule we would've skipped it.
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Post by jenaez on Mar 10, 2010 8:55:23 GMT -5
I just saw the vids and in the exact momemt when i said"we need another mages" EVOD's classes were:
Anzlisa, wottes, untow: archer ouphe, coygem, cat: mage foxy: warrior fleur: scout
That mean i was wrong
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