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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 20, 2010 21:11:15 GMT -5
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bullshit
It's not unfair if both sides can do it, and that's really the bottom line.
If you think mages and archers are unstoppable then go ahead and play them. I'm not scared of playing a team that spams mages and archers so I invite them to do it.
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Post by jenaez on Sept 20, 2010 21:35:22 GMT -5
Camping is by far one of the worst strategy, specially without scouts or warriors. 8 ppl under a 1 or 2 shields only have a name, satchel bait, scout sneak, throw satchel and your teammates rape them. With a decent team on your side and good comunication camping is not a problem, beating campers with random ppl (noobs) is another story but that is not the point, im talking about the competitive point with good pplayers on both sides. And for everyone who thinks my opinion is biased towards mage and archer, the only think i can say i always spamed warrior and scout, even in maps like pelennor fields, and in clan wars i used scout 90% of the time and the other 10% warrior, so i know by facts that a well played scout can destroy a couple of mage/archers clusterfucking if you have decent teammates.
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Sept 20, 2010 21:50:25 GMT -5
Ha, the point you didnt get it's that I am not scared, I dont mind if I lose a match, in fact I continue to rush and attack them anyways. The fact it's that become boring. What you guys I heard call "ragequit" it's just "borequit", I dont see the point to start do the same to have a nice all archers and mages vs all archers and mages, after 3 or 4 matches all the same way I get bored and I prefer to leave and do something else. Btw maybe you didnt noticed, but I also blamed for that my own team many times, I didnt blame only the enemy team. And when you speak about make tactics to win that, well, you just speak about an "idea". That works for planned matches, or for you that are used to this way to think, most of the times the only player in my team with who I played in the past is Morgoth. And most of the times matches are 4vs3 or 5vs4 when I play, and I am so lucky to finish 80% of the times in the outnumbered team and the other team, also if they have one more, spam mages and archers. Just to show you that is not as easy as you explain it. In a 8vs8 I think what you said have yet more sense. Anyways, this discussion is becoming pointless. We perfectly know you guys will continue to think in your way and we will continue to think in our way. I am always the first to make discussions, I enjoy on it, but when I recognize that there is no way to finish it, I prefer to stop. Everyone does what he wants to and thats all, let's just play, we have to be happy that we can still play it, so I stop to take care on the fact many times for me the game becomes boring for me and I will just play. Let's forget all and stop to waste time to pointless discussions. But oh well, anyways I am not surprised we argue, we were different "worlds" in that game, obviously every "world" developed his way to be. Now I see that and I will just play without care anymore about anything. Peace. P.S.: I have read your post later Janaez, anyways yeah that was what I mean, if we talk about cws or planned matches I can agree with you guys, but for normal games it's different
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Post by jenaez on Sept 21, 2010 1:00:47 GMT -5
Well we agreed in something. Is awful playing matches with random ppl without any idea of teamworking, specially for class like scout and warrior, can make the match boring, is not funny getting gangbanged by 6 guys that you know you can beat all of them in 1v1 situations (that pissed me off). I even killed my own teammates with oliphant when they were camping under a mage shield and the other team were dumb enought to do anything. But in CW everything were different, i played with good teammates that i know they play for the team and not only for themself and i can trust they'll cover my back and i'll do the same for them. Thats what i miss more from LOTRC, the teamwork involved on every match (atleast decent matches), not like in game like MWII where you can easily camp in a building plant some claymores and call it a day, and nothing better than BS gandalf while he is jumping or just own him with a regular warrior and recive hate msg after that
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Post by Onde Aander on Sept 21, 2010 4:25:21 GMT -5
If anyone can kill Swami Chuckles as Gandalf 1v1 with a standard warrior I will offer .. hmmmm what should I bet? Y'all keep making it sound easy but I think you're just bragging beyond your means .
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 21, 2010 4:29:53 GMT -5
I own hero mages with regular warrior all the time.
It doesn't matter who is playing the mage hero, if the warrior can get an axe hit and knock the mage hero down then whether or not they kill the mage is on their sword, so to speak. That is, if the warrior does it properly the mage will not be able to move again. Of course, there's no room for error but it's really not that hard if you're used to the timing.
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Post by Istari on Sept 21, 2010 5:58:04 GMT -5
Lol BM, I think we don't play the same game.
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Post by jenaez on Sept 21, 2010 8:13:14 GMT -5
Lol BM, I think we don't play the same game. We play the same, but BM skills are above average ( i can say the smae about my skills <3), killing a mage hero is easy it doesnt matter who use it you only have to (if i remember right); Axe Headshot + running Heavy attack + 3 times square + Special Heavy attack + Axe Headshot If you do it right the mage cant move or recover and in the last Axe headshot he'll die
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Sept 21, 2010 9:12:07 GMT -5
I have to agree too on that, if you come in a 1vs1 with a normal warrior against a Gandalf, it's not that difficult to kill him, I did that a lot of time too also against people considered top mages. BM is right, once you get near to him, apart an error by you, he is dead. The only problem right now it's that with the delay most of the time misteriously the mage reach to use the staff when he is not supposed to cause they are in combos they cant evade but oh well, at the end that makes the thing more interesting XD And yeah camping in MW2 is way worse XD Like when you find people camping in a place in which they planted claymores everywhere and they just tube out all the time cause they have 1 man army and everyclass they have is a tubing class XD To Jenaez: I did that thing with the oliphant a lot of times too XD Gj ^^ And I totally agree on the 6vs1 etc. thing you wrote. Well, it seems that at the end we think really similar Jenaez
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Post by Istari on Sept 21, 2010 9:37:10 GMT -5
Wel it seems people are only arguing here, they say how to do something (and it's cool and right) ; but now try to think if you're the mage and not the warrior, to counter. At least, it's soooo easy with Gandalf to stop a warrior, a medium/good Gandalf won't let approach nobody with flash of lighting (normal attack who causes slowing down) and the blue power who ejects the warrior. But nvm, it's easy for you to say what to do, but the hardest is to realize it. In a nutshell, I didn't speak about BM's skill, yes he is good, but try to get the game again and come ingame to see other players . See ya on the battlefield.
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Post by |BLOD|Durin on Sept 21, 2010 10:39:23 GMT -5
I agree with istari. To realize such thing against a "top" mage would be really hard (not impossible) But its not the reality coz gandalf probably has teammates who will mostly save him in such a situation. A 1v1 gandalf vs. warrior should be a 90 % victory for the gandalf (considering that both players are really skilled). Just my opinion guys. Over and out.
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Post by Lumy ' -=TLF=- on Sept 21, 2010 10:49:45 GMT -5
Sign.
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Sept 21, 2010 11:46:16 GMT -5
Yeah usually Gandalf has 2 other mages as bodyguard XD
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Post by |BLOD|Frei(rus) on Sept 21, 2010 12:04:59 GMT -5
Actually if Gandalf have no delay, he will heal himself, after your sword atacks. And how you going to do all 3 squad atacks? Almost sure one of them you will miss, becoz fighting hero always cause some mess.
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Post by Onde Aander on Sept 21, 2010 12:50:06 GMT -5
Axe Headshot + running Heavy attack + 3 times square + Special Heavy attack + Axe Headshot If you do it right the mage cant move or recover and in the last Axe headshot he'll die Hmmm I may have to test that out. Assuming you get the opportunity to pull it off, the question is whether this combo is truly unbreakable or whether it relies on Gandalf messing up. I suspect a good mage will get a heal or ground slam off right before you throw the final axe - that is, if he gets up very quickly from the heavy special, I suspect he can heal before you can axe him (I imagine if the combo does succeed, you kill him while he's healing anyway). I'll take your word for it that the damage adds up. The shoulder bash is probably the most unreliable part of your combo considering lightning and fire are likely to break your sprint. I would favour a combo like: Crit axe, pause, 3x light attack, light special, heavy special, crit axe to finish. The extra light special replaces the shoulder bash, damage-wise. I'd still be worried about getting the last axe off in time, though. Still pretty unreliable especially with added random factors (e.g. other players, terrain). Might be possible to replace the last axe throw if you can do crit axe, pause, 3x light attack, {possibly 1 medium and/or heavy attack here}, full special combo. Light special after a heavy is of course vulnerable to interruption depending on how quickly they get up. But you're already gambling so, why not? Anyway I don't doubt that you can hurt him bad or take him by surprise or kick him down the stairs, but to take on a skilled Gandalf 1v1 in all his glory? Not easy. If you really think it is, please prove it. If you get one kill in 10 tries, I'll be damn impressed. What combo do you use, BM?
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