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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 20, 2010 14:12:37 GMT -5
Can you point out where I'm flaming you?
I do it all the time in game but right now I haven't directed one insult towards you. So please, refrain from making false accusations.
On PS3 also played with what we thought was fairest and most strategic, and quite frankly we found out that a team of good mages can still be beaten with a balanced team.
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Post by Lumy ' -=TLF=- on Sept 20, 2010 14:24:46 GMT -5
Anyway, different point of view, it's k istari et bm
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Post by Istari on Sept 20, 2010 14:25:24 GMT -5
Ok, attitude a bit limited, so let's try with examples if you want ? Do you think a battle between 4 scouts and 4 mages is egual ? (50% to win)
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Post by Lumy ' -=TLF=- on Sept 20, 2010 14:48:31 GMT -5
well he said a well mixed team, so.. scouts only def. not , except 4 angelus' and elfies
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Post by rizen33 on Sept 20, 2010 15:24:12 GMT -5
Playing x amount of class(s) isn't cheap, IF, you allow the opposing team to do the same and counterbalance you.
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Post by Istari on Sept 20, 2010 15:27:42 GMT -5
Yes and it's why you must put limits here... cause if you don't people will always take a lot of archers and mages and a bit warriors.
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Post by Joppi on Sept 20, 2010 15:43:22 GMT -5
There were never any limits in PS3 clan battles and the optimal set-up that most clans frequently used was 3-4 Mages, 2 Archers (3 on Archer-oriented levels), 1-2 Warriors, and 1 scout. I've only seen 6 Mages and 2 Archers a single time in a clan match in a desperate move to avoid losing in CTR. Guess what? It failed miserably.
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Post by Istari on Sept 20, 2010 15:50:43 GMT -5
kk Well it seems PC and console players have different point of view, nothing else. But I really dunno where you can find the fun in a 8 mages and 4 archers battle .
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 20, 2010 15:54:22 GMT -5
Ok, attitude a bit limited, so let's try with examples if you want ? Do you think a battle between 4 scouts and 4 mages is egual ? (50% to win) I think any combination of mages, archers, and warriors would beat a team of 4 mages.
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Post by jenaez on Sept 20, 2010 16:07:59 GMT -5
8 mages strategy is an awful strategy let me show you with some example: - If you have only mage than mean your team is really slow, slow = less base taken, less ring captured - You cant even think of separating of your group or an archer will kill you, and if you go with your shield up (you will slow as hell) you are easy pray for scouts and warriors. - You dont have have any way to beat long distance archer, and a shield wont work because 1 well placed satchel owns you - You literally have no offensive power, the other team can use 2 mages spaming only their shield and you cant touch them. - A scout rolling can do disaster on CTR to a team of 8 mages I cant find any reason to use 8 mages, and just for the record when tm7 played the standard number of class where: 3-4 mages 2 archers 1-2 warriors 1 scout. And we won the tourney, balanced teams > 1 class spam, always Ok, attitude a bit limited, so let's try with examples if you want ? Do you think a battle between 4 scouts and 4 mages is egual ? (50% to win) i know i can beat any mage in a 1v1 50% of the time or more, just saying
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Post by straightcash5 on Sept 20, 2010 16:20:45 GMT -5
it does not take more strategy to play with 1 mage, here's the strategy (outplay the other teams archers) thats what it would come down too if there was only 1 mage.
and CT the clan i was in has won a battle with just 3 mages against 5 at Rivendale tdm, they were good so they also had the advantage of us having to come up the stairs, but we had a balanced attack, our warriors broke their shields and our archers took their mages out once the shields were down. we got up the stairs next to there spawn and stayed there the rest of the match even though they had 2 more mages then us we were able to keep a warrior/mage pair alive while the ones who died respawned and came back up. they weren't able to get us out of there spawn because we had 2 archers stay by the stairs out of range of there mages and slowly picked them off. now if they had had more then one archer and maybe a scout to sneak up on our archers they could've killed us and took back the high ground.
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Post by Istari on Sept 20, 2010 16:25:43 GMT -5
Mmh tbh it's really becoming condescending posts here... and I don't think you can show me something new, but let's see, it can be useful . First of all, I never said 8 mages in a team (8 mages and 4 archers = 2 teams, cause someone said 4 mages and 2 archers by team). So I said 4 mages, and in your configuration the 4 others can be 4 archers, one mage gets the ring. It means one heal every sec, one smae for fire, 2 multiarrows every sec and 1 fire/poison arrow by sec. ==> Be sure that nobody scout or warrior can approache (-> useless classes in your configuration). There are still 4 mages and 2 archers in the team who hasn't the ring. 2 mages must protect the 2 archers with shields or they die instantly. What can do the 2 mages versus the 3 mages healed and powered by the ring ? No way, they win. To finish, I know a mage can be beaten in a 1v1, and that's what I said, gratz if you can kill one, but the problem is for 4.
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Sept 20, 2010 17:13:27 GMT -5
All you need is 2-3 mages to shield and your roaming gang of mages and archers become sitting ducks. Once the two sides get close the warriors and scouts from the team without the ring will be able to lead the charge, forcing the other team's shields down first and letting the archers and mages on their team take advantage of the opening.
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Post by jenaez on Sept 20, 2010 17:35:05 GMT -5
Mmh tbh it's really becoming condescending posts here... and I don't think you can show me something new, but let's see, it can be useful . First of all, I never said 8 mages in a team (8 mages and 4 archers = 2 teams, cause someone said 4 mages and 2 archers by team). So I said 4 mages, and in your configuration the 4 others can be 4 archers, one mage gets the ring. It means one heal every sec, one smae for fire, 2 multiarrows every sec and 1 fire/poison arrow by sec. ==> Be sure that nobody scout or warrior can approache (-> useless classes in your configuration). There are still 4 mages and 2 archers in the team who hasn't the ring. 2 mages must protect the 2 archers with shields or they die instantly. What can do the 2 mages versus the 3 mages healed and powered by the ring ? No way, they win. To finish, I know a mage can be beaten in a 1v1, and that's what I said, gratz if you can kill one, but the problem is for 4. So much fail in 1 post. Anyways, before saying scout and warrior are "useless" classes www.youtube.com/user/xXJoppi visit this youtube channel and watch every video fo LOTRC. Let me show you what is bad with you post: So I said 4 mages, and in your configuration the 4 others can be 4 archers, one mage gets the ring I want to see how you will get the ring faster than the enemy warriors and scout only with your mages, and in case you didnt know getting the ring faster always give you the upperhand To finish, I know a mage can be beaten in a 1v1, and that's what I said, gratz if you can kill one, but the problem is for 4. Lets do the thing backwards now, how a mage can kill 4 scouts?. What you were implying was kinda stupid
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-=TLF=-Gothmog
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"Fight like a Warrior, to show skills and honor"
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Post by -=TLF=-Gothmog on Sept 20, 2010 20:40:34 GMT -5
OMG!! How could I miss that discussion!!!!! XD
So I will say again my point of view.
First of all: say that every class in Conquest needs the same skills to be played it would be just BULLSHIT. There are no doubt that the classify of classes in order of skills is that one:
1: warrior 2: scout (less to warrior cause backstab it's not so difficult to do and you kill someone in 1 move) 3: mage: to heal, launch fireballs, ray etc., everyone is good to 4: archer: less to mage cause an archer can stay really far from the battlefield and hit, mage almost has to be quite near to the others
Thats a GENERAL classify, basically based on how much time you need to get good with a class and concerning the difficulty in doing moves combos etc., it's just general so not referred to particular ways to play/people.
Said that, I agree that a really skilled mage have my respect, and a really skilled archer too, as a really skilled warrior or really skilled scout.
The only thing about I always get pissed off, like you all know, it's the SHIT way to play spamming the 2 classes that spammed make the game boring, senseless and unskilled. Spam mages and archers its just bullshit, these 2 classes spammed are really too overpowered, a legion of archers staying under the mage shields camping on a hill? But you really think thats play with skills? Cause I heard people say that yes, that's how pro people play. Well, about that shit, it's really time to wake up and consider the fact that play in that way it's just bullshit and for people that wanna play melee class the game become a real SHIT to play.
But I perfectly now that people only able to do that will do that forever, it's just how it goes the life, go always for the easy way also if it's a SHIT way. But remember that as you are free to ruin my game spamming that classes, I am aswell free to say everytime i want that in my opinion you play SHIT. you have your rights, I have mines, easy XD
To point all: I dont think someone plays a mage is a noob, if he plays well his classes he is skilled on it, but spam classes it's really annoying and makes the game boring and a lot of times unplayable. I dont know which experiences did you have BM, but that depends from the players. Put Morgoth, Nazgulz, Gregor and me playing warrior against 4 top mages and I have no doubts the mages would get owned. But it's better you think on what you say: thats a programmed fight, in normal games most of the times you cant go to your team cause you get raped before you reach that.
So to make it short: everyclass must be played, also warrior spamming its kinda shit, but spam only the 2 most op its really bullshit way to play. Expecially hillcamping with archers with mages shield them all the time, thing that I saw a lot of times yet.
As you noticed I particularly love the word "shit" today XD
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