Scouts Backstabbing

[EntourageMuscle]

Is scouts backstabbing people cheap or not?

I constantly hear people complain when they get backstabbed. It's the only way a hero dies. Warriors get it in a combo on an opponent.

So I'm asking you is it cheap? Whats your opinion of it?

My answer: I take it this way: I'm so good that they resort to being a backstabbing scout to kill me cause they can't fight me otherwise ;D . But I do however have respect towards the scouts that sneak to you but to only do their deadly 8 hit combo on you.

[BURNZILLA47]

Being backstabbed ranks high in the most frustrating ways to die category. I don't think it's cheap at all because it adds an element of surprise to a game a little short on surprises. It does take some skill to use BS (Back Stabbing, not Bull Shit, but that takes some skill too) so thats not cheap either. As far as the question as to rather a hero can be killed with it in one shot? Absolutely, otherwise Gandalf will just keep healing indefinitely and killing everyone around in one shot, and BS'ing heros is harder because a cluster fuck usually ensues in the heros vicinity and the ground is covered in fire. Scout doesn't have much going for him so I don't think it's cheap at all.

[Joppi]

I hate to sound like a broken record... but...

Joke thread?

Sorry, but "scout" and "cheap" are two words that should never be used in the same sentence unless it's like, "The scout is the opposite of cheap". The scout is easily the worst class in the game, with the back-stab or not. The back-stab really only has one practical purpose: killing heroes. In any other situation, a fire arrow to the face out-classes the backstab in every respect. The backstab itself is a terrible attack for what it does. It's very difficult to perform on enemies who know you're there, it lasts about five-six seconds, all of which the scout is very vulnerable to other enemies, and it can only kill one person at a time. When engaged with any type of group, a scout can usually only kill one enemy before he's violently raped by the rest of the enemies during his ridiculous animations.

Other than the back-stab, the scout is basically useless. His life is low enough that he gets OHKO'd by fire arrow head-shots, his run is alright, but slower than the warrior's, and is drastically reduced by cloaking. His ground melee attacks give the kick a run for its money in the useless category, possessing absolutely no range, being breakable at several points, and being ridiculously long. The scout has good aerials, but they suffer from the same lack of range as his ground attacks and don't do enough damage to make suitable substitutes for his other attacks. His satchel bomb is powerful, but also happens to be the most stupidly hard thing to aim in the game and has a ridiculously long recharge time. His cloak is mediocre and a lot of levels have him stick out like a sore thumb.

Basically, the scout's backstab is really the only semi-good thing he has in his arsenal, and even it is bad. In no way is it even close to cheap. If the backstab is cheap, then the fire arrow breaks the game.

[masteunknown]

Backstabbing is an extremely cheap move but let them keep it for they suck in everything else

Scouts don't have a good range attack and don't have the life and damage to keep up with the warrior so they're practically useless without backstab. That's the only reason anyone picks them anyway, for the BS.

BS is cheap, but I guess scouts make up for it with being extremely bad in everything else.

[BulgarianMenace]

how the fuck is back stabbing cheap? It leaves the scout in a long ass animation during which they are completely vulnerable (although they can't die they CAN take damage). And it takes away a huge chunk of their energy bar, so most of the time after they use it they can't even go invisible for a long time and run away. So I don't get how it's cheap. Because it one hit kills? So do fire arrows. So do multishots (provided one arrow is a headshot). And neither of them leaves the archer in a terrible position like the backstab leaves the scout.

I pretty much agree with what joppi said. There's really nothing cheap about scouts.

[demonstouch]

Bm I can anwser that, I hate scout always have. Most of the time if I get killed is by a scout just trying to steal a kill. The hero deathmatch scout are bitches, here you are fight 6 gandalfs and 2 frodos in mount doom .. WTF .. Anyways a backstab or shot in the back is cheap. Back in medevil times thats normally how the best of the best warrior have fallin. That how I look at it, I rather find that guy and fight him. Now if its a scout vs warrior and he gets me with a backstab, kudos. But if im fight 2 mages and a warrio all at once then that little bitch sneak up it make me say COWARD. Its just the honor of a fight that I look at. Same reason when I dual I let them spawn and meet me in a place. I want to look in their eyes before they die.

[redwurd]

It is greatly annoying to get back stabbed when your in your groove, but have some respect for the scouts. They are valuable and can help their team and turn the tide (thanks Gandalf for the quote) but they are vulnerable too. I however hate that blasted Grimma Wormtongue to no end but that just means he's doing his job no?

[BURNZILLA47]

I can understand why you hate Grima red. And your right about him just doing his job. The better job your doing the more folks resent you ;D Grima has breathed new life into scoutplay for me and I love the time bomb just as much as you guys and girls hate it. Thing is, you run super fast and your invisible juice doesn't run out, in fact it may increase a little. It's not uncommon to be backstabbing a Gandalf while it goes off and kills 2 or 3 more fools. Cheap? Hells no. Awesome and gratifying? Hells yea.

[toriel]

I don't mind a scout backstabbing me. That just means I'm not careful enough

Just make sure I don't see your invisible outline (it's pretty easy to see in certain maps or from certain angles) or your blip on the radar because that will put me on high alert and I will do my best to kill you before you can.

[matgordo]

How do you arm grimas timebomb?

[thebountyhunter]

grimas timebomb is really where you place yourself after the nine seconds , i usually go for elrond , aragorn, legolas or gandalf but only if gandalf hAs very low health. legolas goes down the easiest.

[BURNZILLA47]

L1 Square is how you arm the bomb matt. It's best to go invisible right after arming it and aim for a pack of gamdalfs. When the bomb in your hand flames up, you have 5 seconds to hone in on someone. Believe it or not, I count every time. ::)It will take off about 95% of Gandalfs life and a satchel bomb will do the rest if placed properly. Often, you can take out 2 or 3 bastards at a time with that thing. In my opinion, Grima is the most dangerous Hero.

[matgordo]

Yeah, I saw you runnin around with him last night. You scored the highest on our team with him. I tried him once but aznlisa shot me in the head.

[Adanedhels-WIFE]

Yeah, Burnzilla is very good with that damn bomb. He got me more than a few times last night. Adanedhel got a kick out of it every time he did. I don't think it is cheap to be a scout. The scout makes the game more of a challenge. I have to constantly watch my back when Burnzilla and lady Luthien are scouts. They are both very good and fun to play Conquest with.

[BURNZILLA47]

Right you are Mrs Aden! Well let me just say that used to roll my eyes at a HTDM because of all the Gandalfs but now, I grin with evil delight at the prospect of comeuppance. You see, for some reason at some point in desperation, the good team will almost always be reduced to trying to spam as many mages as possible (anybody else notice this?). The reason for this phenomena is unclear, though I suspect it's related to the cowardly nature inherent in all good. So my word of advice to any do-gooders who may be inclined to fall back on that deplorable tactic in HTDM when BURNZILLA is in the room is, to not do it.