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Post by yash3ahuja on Jan 28, 2010 20:08:57 GMT -5
I must say, Americans are mostl narrow minded individuals. Hanz, Asian culture focuses HEAVILY on nature and balance. (Dao/Taoism, Shinto). While western cultures focused more on a god to explain things. The eastern culture used spirits and nature. Daoism is about going with the flow of nature. "A tree in the wind falls, but be a blade of grass, going with the wind. " And Shinto used spirits, such as things like foxes. That's what Shinto gates were, a gateway to the spirits. Ever seen Spirited Away? You can't say something is stupid because you don't believe in it. You don't see me sayin there is no god, I'm just saying I disagree, and want some reasoning. That's why I agree with nexsus, when he says Americans are looke down upon by many cultures.
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Post by hanzrimer on Jan 28, 2010 21:46:43 GMT -5
I believe in conservation of wildlife and medieval beliefs that somethings horn could could cure someone while bringing a species to extinction is complete bull shit to me. I'll use the example I said before, do you know what a rhino's horn is made of? If not then look at your hands, you have at the end of your fingers. Same exact stuff. So yeah sorry, it's bullshit. If anyone wants to continue to debate me on magical tigers paws and shark fins that's fine but as far as the whole god thing goes i'm pretty much done and I'll end it with a quote i've used before and I'll use again, "if you reason religious people there would be no religious people" Its people like you who have no understanding on how a culture works that is different from your own,that cause the wars we get into. you feel as if your way of life is superiror to their's and since they cant defend themselves its open party for you. What I ment by give support to your findings is to a least spare you from a small fault you made when you made an assumption about eastern culture. I never once said that eastern cultures only used animal parts to for their medicine. Originally i was going to say it in my earlier post but i wanted to make sure that you really ment or rather made an indication that their way of life is backwards. The statement "Magical tigers" proves your way of thinking similar to what I thought you ment To say that is to show that you have no understanding of their culture or medical practices. Yes some may use rhino horns as a form of medicine and i do accept that fact but your only saying "Protect the wildlife" as a form to defend your position while under that pretense you want to say their form of life is "medeval". Im not trying to hate on you hanz but dont respond with a funneled view of the world. Experiance life more it might suprise you. on a side note im only passionate about this because what you say is one of the reasons why i cant say, "Im an american" when I leave the country. we are looked with scorn (by some countries) for the simple fact that we advocate all forms of freedoms but in the end we end up being hypocrites cause some of our own people give a bad represntation of us. I am not trying to say that you fall into this hanz cause you just dont have enough information. but then again why should we care cause we are "AMERICA" and we kick everyones ass. even if we are alone actually you don't know me very well, I'm very passionate about the environment and wildlife, for a time I was sort of going to school to be a marine biologist. So yes I do believe killing a two ton animal for a horn that does nothing is not only ass backward it's disgusting and it makes me sick that I belong to the same species of anyone who condones such a practice. A lot of their medicine revolves around killing things for a useless "magical" ingredient. However, for the kinds of medicine used that doesn't fit into what I'm saying i have no problem with it. I'm not a narrow minded american, I'm a person that hates humans and how wasteful and stupid we are.
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Post by BURNZILLA47 on Jan 28, 2010 23:56:00 GMT -5
As a child I was raised a catholic, but as I reached my late teens it really started dawning on me that Christianity provided too limited a perspective on things and the more I looked around the same could be said for any religion. When I think back to how I thought back then it seems very boxed in and Christianity to me horribly underestimates "God" (for lack of a better term). I understand why religious people think and believe the way they do but I know I could never explain to them why I don't believe the way they do. They would just hear words. And if it has to be explained in the first place, then their just not that wavelength to get it anyway. It's like, if you have to explain to someone why Sarah Palin is an idiot, and they don't already know, then they are on a different plane of mindset and won't "get it". But at this point, I know for sure I can never go back to thinking like a religious person, anymore than I could physically be 14 years old again. And I think that what the Catholic church has become is about as far from what Jesus had in mind at the time than we can imagine.
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Post by yash3ahuja on Jan 29, 2010 0:19:37 GMT -5
Yes, Christianity has strayed far from its original intention. Even close to it, the crusades.
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Post by NexsusX (Fury) on Jan 29, 2010 1:08:48 GMT -5
Its people like you who have no understanding on how a culture works that is different from your own,that cause the wars we get into. you feel as if your way of life is Superior to their's and since they cant defend themselves its open party for you. What I meant by give support to your findings is to a least spare you from a small fault you made when you made an assumption about eastern culture. I never once said that eastern cultures only used animal parts to for their medicine. Originally i was going to say it in my earlier post but i wanted to make sure that you really meant or rather made an indication that their way of life is back wards. The statement "Magical tigers" proves your way of thinking similar to what I thought you meant To say that is to show that you have no understanding of their culture or medical practices. Yes some may use rhino horns as a form of medicine and i do accept that fact but your only saying "Protect the wildlife" as a form to defend your position while under that pretense you want to say their form of life is "medieval". I'm not trying to hate on you hanz but don't respond with a funneled view of the world. Experience life more it might surprise you. on a side note I'm only passionate about this because what you say is one of the reasons why i cant say, "I'm an American" when I leave the country. we are looked with scorn (by some countries) for the simple fact that we advocate all forms of freedoms but in the end we end up being hypocrites cause some of our own people give a bad representation of us. I am not trying to say that you fall into this hanz cause you just don't have enough information. but then again why should we care cause we are "AMERICA" and we kick everyones ass. even if we are alone actually you don't know me very well, I'm very passionate about the environment and wildlife, for a time I was sort of going to school to be a marine biologist. So yes I do believe killing a two ton animal for a horn that does nothing is not only ass backward it's disgusting and it makes me sick that I belong to the same species of anyone who condones such a practice. A lot of their medicine revolves around killing things for a useless "magical" ingredient. However, for the kinds of medicine used that doesn't fit into what I'm saying i have no problem with it. I'm not a narrow minded American, I'm a person that hates humans and how wasteful and stupid we are. though we did a good job deterring from the reason why i spoke of eastern medicine xDD ill shift it back can science really be the alpha and omega of all things? just because you can or cannot explain how it works doesn't mean it may or may not exist. now that i look back on it i was trying to defend him in some way by questioning science in itself since science is flawed in some ways @the spaghetti monster um the only reason why the giant spaghetti monster doesn't get as much attention is simply cause he doesn't have as much support ( like from scientists or religious authorities) but if you guys want we can make a giant spaghetti monster religion in which he created all life and the universe LOL @ whoever spoke about i believe both god an the bible (on a side note part is really this is ment for those who strongly believe in god so please if your more prone to the sciences or an aethist try not to skew what im trying to say anymore than it already is xDDD though your opinion is apreaciated) unfortunately that is a pure oymoron. From my understanding god is the master of all things how can we as man interpret his will which is supposed to be infinite to a book which has an end. now I'm probably being very dense and without understanding of it but i will say that the bible was created to master the masses into one single believe that would only benefit those who had religious authority. Remember martin Luther he saw there were no instances of receiving indulgence's via payment in which originally they were given to the crusaders who fought the "Holy War" to exterminate the infidels who tainted the lands of Christ. For me I see it as, "what an amazing way to manipulate someone into doing what you want them to do by promising them a better after life" in which you will be able to be with your lord and master Don't let the religious authorities feed you that the bible is the word of god. For man created the bible and man, even if they follow the will and instruction of god, can commit sin. With that said moses alone received the commandments. Why didn't the two slabs appear in front for all to see? this in turn gives doubt how can one man be referred to more than any other if god created all men equal. Back then you did not need much evidence to support what you said. people generally tend follow the flow as well which is something that has not changed in several millenia and probably will never change. If i do say so myself why isn't the bible currently being extended? Since supposedly god created the bible why isn't he instructing a man as he has always done to expand on it? My answer would be is that man created the bible as a feeble interpretation of god and his divinity( and some will say man created god to relieve his or her insecurities about the world) I leave you with only one teaser since by now all those who firmly believe in god will probably say something lalong the lines that "everything I spoke is blasphemy and an insult to god" and "that may he take mercy on my soul". the teaser is only to ask yourselves, "why did our wise and benevolent father give us the ability to reason and question" ( a hint there are people who will speak of his name with great ability only to provided themselves self advancement) the day the dualistic ideology ends ( us vs them kinda idea) will be the day when every one will go out smoke a blunt and be happy not that people don't do that already lolz i just love the title phrase of Xenosaga 2 which really belongs to Nietzsche "Jenseits von Gut und Bose" which really should be a goal for human kind ( beyond good and evil)
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Post by yash3ahuja on Jan 29, 2010 1:15:07 GMT -5
^I actually wonder how likely it is of any new religions popping up.
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Post by redwurd on Jan 29, 2010 2:36:23 GMT -5
"For me I see it as, "what an amazing way to manipulate someone into doing what you want them to do by promising them a better after life" in which you will be able to be with your lord and master" um isn't that what Christianity does? A promise that if you live your life a certain way you will be rewarded? Kinda sounds like blackmail or manipulation to me........ "It's like, if you have to explain to someone why Sarah Palin is an idiot, and they don't already know, then they are on a different plane of mindset and won't "get it". WHAT??? Sarah Palin is an idiot?
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Post by BulgarianMenace on Jan 29, 2010 3:04:21 GMT -5
If a flying spaghetti monster is self contingent (itself reason for its own existence & cause of the universe), then flying spaghetti monster may qualify as God. I'll check if there's a vacancy for it ... However there are additional qualities required for the role of God A god, perhaps, but not the "god" of the bible. There is no more reason to believe in the abrahamic god than there is to believe in any other god.
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Jan 29, 2010 9:43:02 GMT -5
If a flying spaghetti monster is self contingent (itself reason for its own existence & cause of the universe), then flying spaghetti monster may qualify as God. I'll check if there's a vacancy for it ... However there are additional qualities required for the role of God A god, perhaps, but not the "god" of the bible. There is no more reason to believe in the abrahamic god than there is to believe in any other god. Whichever 'god' created everything, is the one referred to in the bible. Take your pick: beardy bloke or spaghetti monster.
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Post by yash3ahuja on Jan 29, 2010 10:10:13 GMT -5
But there are religions in which multiple gods created the earth
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Jan 29, 2010 10:21:01 GMT -5
... There is no more reason to believe in the abrahamic god than there is to believe in any other god. This point raises the issue of monotheism vs polytheism. Part of God's job description is omnipotency (all powerful). If there were a god club, equally empowered members, they could do anything but impinge on each other's activities (all powerful rule broken). Similarly If the members could interfere in each others tasks again not all powerful. Hence captial 'G'od monotheistic all powerful. Believe in a lowercase 'g'od its buying into an inferior knock off. Then again I'm a devout worshipper of all powerful TV.
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Post by hanzrimer on Jan 29, 2010 12:06:01 GMT -5
What about Zeus and all his buddies? everyone today accepts them as fictional characters yet not so long ago those were believed to be real.
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Post by [ROJOES]ronjons on Jan 29, 2010 12:35:25 GMT -5
What about Zeus and all his buddies? everyone today accepts them as fictional characters yet not so long ago those were believed to be real. Along with God likelyhood of their existence has decreased. LIke God they provide an explanation of creaton (NB: Zeus not self causing). However God passed his 'perfection' entrance exam unlike Zeus & co. Edging God slightly by a nose and worthy to be Chairman of the board of heaven.
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Post by hanzrimer on Jan 29, 2010 14:44:39 GMT -5
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
"Blind faith in your leaders or anyone will get you killed" -Bruce Springsteen
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Post by hanzrimer on Jan 29, 2010 14:45:25 GMT -5
actually you don't know me very well, I'm very passionate about the environment and wildlife, for a time I was sort of going to school to be a marine biologist. So yes I do believe killing a two ton animal for a horn that does nothing is not only ass backward it's disgusting and it makes me sick that I belong to the same species of anyone who condones such a practice. A lot of their medicine revolves around killing things for a useless "magical" ingredient. However, for the kinds of medicine used that doesn't fit into what I'm saying i have no problem with it. I'm not a narrow minded American, I'm a person that hates humans and how wasteful and stupid we are. though we did a good job deterring from the reason why i spoke of eastern medicine xDD ill shift it back can science really be the alpha and omega of all things? just because you can or cannot explain how it works doesn't mean it may or may not exist. now that i look back on it i was trying to defend him in some way by questioning science in itself since science is flawed in some ways @the spaghetti monster um the only reason why the giant spaghetti monster doesn't get as much attention is simply cause he doesn't have as much support ( like from scientists or religious authorities) but if you guys want we can make a giant spaghetti monster religion in which he created all life and the universe LOL @ whoever spoke about i believe both god an the bible (on a side note part is really this is ment for those who strongly believe in god so please if your more prone to the sciences or an aethist try not to skew what im trying to say anymore than it already is xDDD though your opinion is apreaciated) unfortunately that is a pure oymoron. From my understanding god is the master of all things how can we as man interpret his will which is supposed to be infinite to a book which has an end. now I'm probably being very dense and without understanding of it but i will say that the bible was created to master the masses into one single believe that would only benefit those who had religious authority. Remember martin Luther he saw there were no instances of receiving indulgence's via payment in which originally they were given to the crusaders who fought the "Holy War" to exterminate the infidels who tainted the lands of Christ. For me I see it as, "what an amazing way to manipulate someone into doing what you want them to do by promising them a better after life" in which you will be able to be with your lord and master Don't let the religious authorities feed you that the bible is the word of god. For man created the bible and man, even if they follow the will and instruction of god, can commit sin. With that said moses alone received the commandments. Why didn't the two slabs appear in front for all to see? this in turn gives doubt how can one man be referred to more than any other if god created all men equal. Back then you did not need much evidence to support what you said. people generally tend follow the flow as well which is something that has not changed in several millenia and probably will never change. If i do say so myself why isn't the bible currently being extended? Since supposedly god created the bible why isn't he instructing a man as he has always done to expand on it? My answer would be is that man created the bible as a feeble interpretation of god and his divinity( and some will say man created god to relieve his or her insecurities about the world) I leave you with only one teaser since by now all those who firmly believe in god will probably say something lalong the lines that "everything I spoke is blasphemy and an insult to god" and "that may he take mercy on my soul". the teaser is only to ask yourselves, "why did our wise and benevolent father give us the ability to reason and question" ( a hint there are people who will speak of his name with great ability only to provided themselves self advancement) the day the dualistic ideology ends ( us vs them kinda idea) will be the day when every one will go out smoke a blunt and be happy not that people don't do that already lolz i just love the title phrase of Xenosaga 2 which really belongs to Nietzsche "Jenseits von Gut und Bose" which really should be a goal for human kind ( beyond good and evil) cool, just ignore everything I type and off no counter points to it, I can do that too.
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