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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 2:22:53 GMT -5
I am not bitter we merged with strider actually I was the one of the guys who let it go through, you act like you fight alone all the time that is not the case, why do you think you know it all? we had this discussion in the titans about how cowardly it is to kill yourself so that was the intial coonversation about you being a coward That's not true, the whole coward thing started because cash most of the time couldn't penetrate my defenses. So he labeled that as cowardly. Yes, I do fight mostly alone, tough guy. And you'd best refrain from throwing around the coward label, last time I checked, I consistently beat your warrior more than you beat mine. Let me guess, you'll probably deny that, too. What merger do you speak of? Strider left TM7 and basically usurped you and took over your little clan. A merger is when TWO parties become one. That was not the case here.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 2:28:54 GMT -5
bottom line... Chaos Theory is essentially TCF with the addition of strider and ouphe. not a big deal at all. You keep telling yourself that. When I go to the section where it lists all the clans, I see Chaos Theory, not tcf. When you and your band of minions betrayed the Titans and formed your own pathetic clan, it became tcf. So by your warped logic, I guess tcf was the Titans all this time?
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Post by Strider on Feb 18, 2010 2:53:55 GMT -5
What merger do you speak of? Strider left TM7 and basically usurped you and took over your little clan. A merger is when TWO parties become one. That was not the case here. Actually, ouphe and I set out to start a clan - and had begun recruiting on our own. After chatting with Grad, Vik, Pookz, and a few others, we decided to merge our clan (me, ouphe, acentauri, puma, and chewie) with the remaining active members of TCF. We came up with the name "Chaos Theory" and decided that five of us (me, ouphe, grad, vik, and pookz) would be moderators. That's how it happened. I didn't take anything over.
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Post by ouphe on Feb 18, 2010 2:55:28 GMT -5
What merger do you speak of? Strider left TM7 and basically usurped you and took over your little clan. A merger is when TWO parties become one. That was not the case here. strider didn't usurp shit. he & I discussed creating our own clan, then talked with cash & viking about the possibility of merging with tcf (before cash left). they were open to the idea, but the remainder of tcf didn't want to change the name - something we preferred, as otherwise it was just us joining. we recruited acentauri, chewie & el_puma (non-tcf members - two parties) before being informed that cash had left. viking then asked if he & others from tcf could merge with our clan as originally discussed. succintly: you are not omniscient, nor do you know the inner-workings of everything on the forums. quit assuming as much.
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Post by Strider on Feb 18, 2010 3:04:06 GMT -5
^ What she said.
I forgot to mention that there were some preliminary discussions when Cash was around (to merge our clans), but nothing came of it.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 3:12:24 GMT -5
What merger do you speak of? Strider left TM7 and basically usurped you and took over your little clan. A merger is when TWO parties become one. That was not the case here. strider didn't usurp shit. he & I discussed creating our own clan, then talked with cash & viking about the possibility of merging with tcf (before cash left). they were open to the idea, but the remainder of tcf didn't want to change the name - something we preferred, as otherwise it was just us joining. we recruited acentauri, chewie & el_puma (non-tcf members - two parties) before being informed that cash had left. viking then asked if he & others from tcf could merge with our clan as originally discussed. succintly: you are not omniscient, nor do you know the inner-workings of everything on the forums. quit assuming as much. First of all, until you actually formed that clan you speak of, it was not an official clan. Therefore, you didn't merge anything. You simply joined with whatever players you had with you. Secondly, never once did I imply or insinuate that I am omniscient or anything relatively close to that. So it would seem that the one that needs to quit assuming would be you. If you were trying to somehow make me look like I'm just pulling shit out of my ass, you failed miserably.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 3:17:24 GMT -5
^ What she said. I forgot to mention that there were some preliminary discussions when Cash was around (to merge our clans), but nothing came of it. I can understand that strider, but this notion that Chaos Theory "is basically tcf" is bullshit. This new clan has new leadership and about half of the roster are new faces.
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Post by ouphe on Feb 18, 2010 3:38:54 GMT -5
First of all, until you actually formed that clan you speak of, it was not an official clan. Therefore, you didn't merge anything. You simply joined with whatever players you had with you. Secondly, never once did I imply or insinuate that I am omniscient or anything relatively close to that. So it would seem that the one that needs to quit assuming would be you. If you were trying to somehow make me look like I'm just pulling shit out of my ass, you failed miserably. uh, actually, you made a statement: 'that was not the case here.' you didn't have to insinuate or imply anything, as you just went ahead & presumed to be informed. who said anything about whether or not the clan was 'official'? you said it wasn't two parties - it was. two parties came together to form one (a new clan). that's what I said. you were pulling shit out of your ass. you didn't know what you were talking about. I don't have to make you look any way - you do the work for me. I can understand that strider, but this notion that Chaos Theory "is basically tcf" is bullshit. This new clan has new leadership and about half of the roster are new faces. first you're unwilling to recognize additions, profess that strider usurped tcf & that there weren't two distinct entities...now it's that half the clan are new faces (two parties, no?) & pointing out that there are multiple leaders (not just strider). I get that your diligent mission here is to undermine tcf in any way possible, but try some consistency?
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 4:00:27 GMT -5
“uh, actually, you made a statement: 'that was not the case here.' you didn't have to insinuate or imply anything, as you just went ahead & presumed to be informed.”
I didn’t presume to be informed at all. This is common sense, if you had actually formed your clan, then obviously I would have known that it was a merger. Like you said, I’m not omniscient so how the fuck do you expect me to know?
”who said anything about whether or not the clan was 'official'? you said it wasn't two parties - it was. two parties came together to form one (a new clan). that's what I said.”
It was not an official clan on proboards and nobody knew about it other than you, strider and the people involved. So once again, it was not a merger.
”you were pulling shit out of your ass. you didn't know what you were talking about. I don't have to make you look any way - you do the work for me.”
You failed to provide the information. I have to go on what I read and see. Do I really have to explain that? Fact of the matter is, I wasn’t talking to you anyway. Until you become Viking, hit me up.
“first you're unwilling to recognize additions, profess that strider usurped tcf & that there weren't two distinct entities...now it's that half the clan are new faces (two parties, no?) & pointing out that there are multiple leaders (not just strider). I get that your diligent mission here is to undermine tcf in any way possible, but try some consistency?”
I’m having trouble understanding that disastrous paragraph, if you can even call it that. Once again, I’m going on what I see. And it seemed like strider did come in and assume leadership of this new clan. So I guess every time I recruit a few players, that means a merger occurred? Looool. Yes, there are new faces, that doesn’t mean it’s a merger. There is no need to undermine tcf, because they're nonexistent. Go to Chaos Theory {roster}, it’s right there in plain English. Try again.
Modification:
Strider: In the wake of TCF's demise, a new clan has emerged: Chaos Theory.
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Post by Strider on Feb 18, 2010 4:27:19 GMT -5
So, because the clan was not officially announced on proboards meant it didn't exist? There are plenty of clans out there that haven't been announced here. That's a ridiculous point.
Fact is, you assumed to know what happened and claimed that I just swooped in and took shit over. That didn't happen. False claim. It's wise not to make such statements without knowing a backstory.
I understand that you were going on what you had seen, but that doesn't excuse what you said. You have now been told otherwise and instead of saying, "Alright guys. I didn't know that. My bad." You continue to try and defend what you've said.
This is what happened, again. It's very simple:
We (ouphe and I) had formed a clan. We merged our clan with the active members of TCF to form a new clan.
So, yes...
In the wake of TCF's demise (as they had just disbanded), a new clan has emerged: Chaos Theory.
"So I guess every time I recruit a few players, that means a merger occurred? Looool"
What the fuck? This makes no sense - at all. Again: We took our clan and merged with the remaining members of TCF. TCF was still standing (even without Cash) at this point. So, yes...a MERGER took place. Thus, ending TCF.
I don't get why this is so hard to comprehend.
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Post by ouphe on Feb 18, 2010 4:47:59 GMT -5
"I didn’t presume to be informed at all. This is common sense, if you had actually formed your clan, then obviously I would have known that it was a merger. Like you said, I’m not omniscient so how the fuck do you expect me to know?"
you made a statement. I corrected your statement because it was invalid. wouldn't it be easier to admit you were wrong rather than make it about being ill-informed, as well as unable to distinguish between observation and fact?
"It was not an official clan on proboards and nobody knew about it other than you, strider and the people involved. So once again, it was not a merger."
you keep leaning on this theme of officialty, as if there's some arbitrary rule-set about clan-formation. you said 'a merger is when TWO parties become one.' I never equated two parties with two clans, or mentioned the issue of legitimacy - you did. a merger did occur between two parties. that's what I said, and that is congruent with your definition.
"You failed to provide the information. I have to go on what I read and see. Do I really have to explain that? Fact of the matter is, I wasn’t talking to you anyway. Until you become Viking, hit me up."
again...observation is not fact. you should be able to contextualize and realize when there is not enough information to make a general statement, especially about things in which you had no involvement. viking AND grad already told you what happened - but you continued your condescension and talking out your ass, so I featured (someone with personal involvement). I don't need to be spoken to in order to talk.
"I’m having trouble understanding that disastrous paragraph, if you can even call it that. Once again, I’m going on what I see. And it seemed like strider did come in and assume leadership of this new clan.
disastrous paragraph? I guess reading comprehension is hard. once again, you cannot make intelligent conclusions based on limited observation independent of context, especially when multiple sources are reporting otherwise. as far as information, there are five moderators, not one - observable evidence that strider is not the sole leader. you just made a convenient assumption that coincided with your bias.
"So I guess every time I recruit a few players, that means a merger occurred? Looool."
players weren't recruited - a new clan was formed from the merging of two parties. in order to have recruited, that would either mean that our clan was legitimate beforehand (absorbing the remainder of tcf), or that chaos theory is essentially tcf (the reverse - tcf absorbed us). both go against the point you're trying to make, so I'm a bit vexed.
just admit you were wrong. not that hard.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 7:36:13 GMT -5
So, because the clan was not officially announced on proboards meant it didn't exist? There are plenty of clans out there that haven't been announced here. That's a ridiculous point. Fact is, you assumed to know what happened and claimed that I just swooped in and took shit over. That didn't happen. False claim. It's wise not to make such statements without knowing a backstory. I understand that you were going on what you had seen, but that doesn't excuse what you said. You have now been told otherwise and instead of saying, "Alright guys. I didn't know that. My bad." You continue to try and defend what you've said. This is what happened, again. It's very simple: We (ouphe and I) had formed a clan. We merged our clan with the active members of TCF to form a new clan. So, yes... In the wake of TCF's demise (as they had just disbanded), a new clan has emerged: Chaos Theory. "So I guess every time I recruit a few players, that means a merger occurred? Looool"What the fuck? This makes no sense - at all. Again: We took our clan and merged with the remaining members of TCF. TCF was still standing (even without Cash) at this point. So, yes...a MERGER took place. Thus, ending TCF. I don't get why this is so hard to comprehend. You bet I'm going to defend myself. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. If she had simply corrected me and left it at that, we wouldn't be discussing this any further. Look at your initial post compared to hers. You were polite and informative, conversely, she was vulgar, rude and disrespectful.
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Post by Crusader_878 on Feb 18, 2010 7:49:31 GMT -5
"I didn’t presume to be informed at all. This is common sense, if you had actually formed your clan, then obviously I would have known that it was a merger. Like you said, I’m not omniscient so how the fuck do you expect me to know?"you made a statement. I corrected your statement because it was invalid. wouldn't it be easier to admit you were wrong rather than make it about being ill-informed, as well as unable to distinguish between observation and fact? "It was not an official clan on proboards and nobody knew about it other than you, strider and the people involved. So once again, it was not a merger."you keep leaning on this theme of officialty, as if there's some arbitrary rule-set about clan-formation. you said 'a merger is when TWO parties become one.' I never equated two parties with two clans, or mentioned the issue of legitimacy - you did. a merger did occur between two parties. that's what I said, and that is congruent with your definition. "You failed to provide the information. I have to go on what I read and see. Do I really have to explain that? Fact of the matter is, I wasn’t talking to you anyway. Until you become Viking, hit me up."again...observation is not fact. you should be able to contextualize and realize when there is not enough information to make a general statement, especially about things in which you had no involvement. viking AND grad already told you what happened - but you continued your condescension and talking out your ass, so I featured (someone with personal involvement). I don't need to be spoken to in order to talk. "I’m having trouble understanding that disastrous paragraph, if you can even call it that. Once again, I’m going on what I see. And it seemed like strider did come in and assume leadership of this new clan.disastrous paragraph? I guess reading comprehension is hard. once again, you cannot make intelligent conclusions based on limited observation independent of context, especially when multiple sources are reporting otherwise. as far as information, there are five moderators, not one - observable evidence that strider is not the sole leader. you just made a convenient assumption that coincided with your bias. "So I guess every time I recruit a few players, that means a merger occurred? Looool."players weren't recruited - a new clan was formed from the merging of two parties. in order to have recruited, that would either mean that our clan was legitimate beforehand (absorbing the remainder of tcf), or that chaos theory is essentially tcf (the reverse - tcf absorbed us). both go against the point you're trying to make, so I'm a bit vexed. just admit you were wrong. not that hard. Again, I have no problem admitting when I wrong. But you can’t correct someone then proceed to insult them in the process and expect everything to be chilly dilly. I stand by what I’ve said previously, based on what I saw, I made a comment. Was that comment ill-informed? Perhaps, but all you had to do was politely inform me and leave it at that. You have this problem, ouphe. You go around posting with a chip on your shoulder and acting like you’re some highly intelligent person. I’m not going to continue to argue with you over some stupid shit. I have better things to do. Just remember this, treat people with respect, and you’ll get the same treatment in return.
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Post by Willf_28 on Feb 18, 2010 13:17:14 GMT -5
I was in the chat when cash called you a coward. Because before he did I called you a coward. In which a coward to me is: Somebody that creates a differnet psn, sets out to kill one person in a server and then talks shit to them. Yes crusader you are indeed a coward.
As for cash quiting and the new clan. Cash was talking to strider before he had left. We havent heard from cash so it doesnt mean he is out.
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Post by giggity26 on Feb 18, 2010 13:46:47 GMT -5
Wow are you guys seriously arguing about this shit? Do you realize no matter how sophisticated or how valid any of your points are, you both lose. The game will cease to exist in a month. Right or wrong just get over it. The clans will all be dead. Just play the game while you can.
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